Just would like to know you opinion - Page 2

33girl · #16 10-19-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by FreeBecky
Actually, since they fall under IFC, we follow their rush rules and participate in all IFC events, which includes rush events.
We do our NM recruitment same as they do.

Ummm...

so you're saying, you have membership selection? You only give bids to selected people? You do not give everyone who wants to pursue membership the chance to pursue it?

Whoooooooooooooooo boy.

emb021 · #17 10-19-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
No it's NOT fine.

It's against national APO bylaws and this chapter (which is relatively new) needs to be corrected ASAP.

And if the school is requiring this they need to be corrected as well.

While it is against APO's National Policy, APO also recognizes that school policy will overrule their policies.

SO, if the SCHOOL requires that their APO Chapter be part of their IFC, it is. APO National will not make an issue of it.

If people disagree with it, well, you need to convence the school to change. (most schools put APO in with the various clubs, along with the professional GLOs).

emb021 · #18 10-19-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
Ummm...

so you're saying, you have membership selection? You only give bids to selected people? You do not give everyone who wants to pursue membership the chance to pursue it?

Whoooooooooooooooo boy.

In APO, we do Rush to recruite pledges. Some chapters do bids, some don't. For most chapters, we give everyone a change to pursue membership. But they still must complete our pledge program. Its not automatic that you will be able to pledge and become a member. Fail to met the requirements, and you won't get in.

Dionysus · #19 10-19-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
Ummm...

so you're saying, you have membership selection? You only give bids to selected people? You do not give everyone who wants to pursue membership the chance to pursue it?

Whoooooooooooooooo boy.

I think I recall doing this once, a long time ago. We only did this because we wanted to weed out wackjobs. It was obvious who they were.

afboiler · #20 10-19-2005, 05:49 PM

I think she has no right being in that position of leadership.....

There is no way she can make decisions on "Greek life" that affects the brotherhood of organizations when she is not one!

FSUZeta · #21 10-19-2005, 05:55 PM

it appears to me that if apo, an organization with a coed membership, becomes a member of the interfraternity council, made up of solely male membership, then the integrity of male only membership has been compromised and those male only fraternities won't have a leg to stand on if a woman seeks membership.this is the reason most fraternities and sororities do not have honorary big brothers or little sisters anymore. perhaps the university does not understand they are creating many potential problems. either that, or they just don't care.

33girl · #22 10-19-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by emb021
In APO, we do Rush to recruite pledges. Some chapters do bids, some don't. For most chapters, we give everyone a change to pursue membership. But they still must complete our pledge program. Its not automatic that you will be able to pledge and become a member. Fail to met the requirements, and you won't get in.

That's what I mean. Everyone has a chance to pursue membership, but not everyone is successful in that pursuit.

But her post sounded like they do not give everyone a chance and instead vote on who they do or do not allow to pledge...which to me pretty much violates what I was taught is a very basic tenet of our organization.

If I had known we were allowed to pick and choose, my senior year would have been much easier.

T, I was wondering when you would come to play in this thread.

emb021 · #23 10-19-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by afboiler
I think she has no right being in that position of leadership.....

There is no way she can make decisions on "Greek life" that affects the brotherhood of organizations when she is not one!

Excuse me, but APO is as much "Greek" as the general GLOs, and we have the concept of brotherhood as well. The only real difference is we don't own houses. And on many campuses, the socials don't either.

We don't know what campus life is at this school. If none of the social/general GLOs have homes, the administration may not see much difference between APO, the socials, the professionals, etc.

Let's not get our panties in a wad over this...

FSUZeta · #24 10-19-2005, 06:01 PM

but with apo, the lines blurr, because they have coed membership. ifc is for male organizations and panhellenic for female organizations. that is my problem with the young woman serving as ifc president. all greek president-yes, ifc or panhellenic president-no.

sugar and spice · #25 10-19-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by FSUZeta
but with apo, the lines blurr, because they have coed membership. ifc is for male organizations and panhellenic for female organizations. that is my problem with the young woman serving as ifc president. all greek president-yes, ifc or panhellenic president-no.

So could she serve as Panhel president, by those definitions?

I'm not sure why possessing a pair of boobs makes you unfit to govern a particular council.

Dionysus · #26 10-19-2005, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
T, I was wondering when you would come to play in this thread.

LMAO, I almost didn't open this thread...

FSUZeta · #27 10-19-2005, 06:28 PM

no s & s, reread my post. ifc-no, panhell-no, all greek-yes. it has nothing to do with boobs or balls, it is that the boobs and balls are in the same org-thus making it coed, not single sex.

sugar and spice · #28 10-19-2005, 06:51 PM

I guess I just don't see the problem.

The national organization, at least in this case, approves.
The school approves.
The Greek advisor probably approves, or would have put a stop to it.
The IFC obviously approves since they are the ones that appointed her (at least that's how IFC works at my school).

If APO is on IFC, then their members have just as much of a right as anyone to serve positions on IFC. In fact, they SHOULD be serving positions on it.

I don't think nearly as many people would have issues with it if she was a guy who belonged to APO.

The only thing that I see as being up for debate is whether or not this APO chapter really needs to be on IFC considering that they have an all-Greek council there -- but I'm assuming that that's something that they debated and made a decision on, and that they made that decision for good reasons.

valkyrie · #29 10-19-2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by emb021
Excuse me, but APO is as much "Greek" as the general GLOs, and we have the concept of brotherhood as well. The only real difference is we don't own houses. And on many campuses, the socials don't either.

I don't care about an APO being on IFC, but I think this statement is not accurate. I don't mean that APO isn't "as much Greek" or that it doesn't have "the concept of brotherhood" -- it is a completely different type of organization, whether the "socials" are housed or not.

Rudey · #30 10-19-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Denise_DPhiE
Not uncommon. Two DPhiEs are/were the President of Panhel and the President of IFC at Queens College in NY. It is accepted and good leadership is always appreciated. Queens College is the alma mater of Jerry Seinfeld.

Denise

There's a panhell and an IFC at that school?

You gotta be kidding me.

The only Greeks I can see surviving at a commuter school in Queens are the NPHC members.

-Rudey