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[dukedg]

DG doesn't have honoraries either, only alumnae initiates.

(Other DGs please correct me if I am wrong.)

[Tom Earp]

Basically When You become an Initiated Member of Any Glo of National Status, You will be a Member of that GLO.

Keeping it a secret is lying. Disrespect can from many avenues.

You as an Initiated Memeber have been through and know the Secrets.

So, now comes a very important point, Why Not Try To Start a Group who would be of interest to Said National?

Most are looking to expand and colonize.

The best in your quest!

[LightBulb]

Not only that, but I imagine that if your ABC sisters try to keep your XYZ affiliation a secret, they would be in serious trouble / not able to charter.

[doves95]

NPC sororities have honor and alum initiates. BUT all that means is that they are initiated as alumnae IE Non-collegiate or as honor initiated some member thought that person to be of high value morally, done awesome things in their etc.... but they are initiated members of the sorority as is a traditional collegiate member.

I know our sorority does not permit "social membership" which is basically what you would have if you could not attend rituals b/c of your prior initiation. I assume most National GLO's have the same policy.

You should do the honorable thing and not be a part of the process but you can still be a sister and support the women. After all we are all Sorority Sisters even if we are not in the same chapter.

[kddani]

Originally posted by doves95
NPC sororities have honor and alum initiates.

As has been previously stated, that is NOT true. Very very few NPCs have honor initiates, and only some AI on a regular basis.

[Tom Earp]

Well, I for one being a Member of said Sorority would defenitly want to know why The Charter was pulled!

What and Why would be the first questions. Get Alums involved, they may have a little more pull.

Not knowing all of the circumstances, and the few posts by this individual I am coming to wonder how much She is really that interested?

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Well, I for one being a Member of said Sorority would defenitly want to know why The Charter was pulled!

What and Why would be the first questions. Get Alums involved, they may have a little more pull.

Not knowing all of the circumstances, and the few posts by this individual I am coming to wonder how much She is really that interested?

Tom, read a little closer.........

Nowhere does she say anything about a charter being pulled.

[Tom Earp]

SmartBlondeGPhB, correcto MUNDO!


Thinking in and of anohter Thread.

Going to fix dinner now!

[aquafina]

Thanks everyone for the great advice. I knew all along what the "right" thing to do was, I just wanted to express my frustration and see if anyone had any other opinions to offer. I have decided to follow the rules. It's an unfortunate situation, yes, but upon further examination, the negatives outweigh the positives in terms of being a member of both XYZ and DEF. I was initiated into XYZ and it's a damn fine organization and one that I am proud to be a sister of. PyschTau had me thinking about living the ritual and that's when I realized that I would never feel comfortable with myself if I did get initiated into DEF.

I spoke to my ABC sisters (because they were the ones who put the idea in my head) and they understand that it would be unethical for me to try and go through the colonization process. When I brought up the fact that their charter would be revoked if nationals ever found out about the situation, they realized it wasn't worth it to try and beat the system. When we go back to school in the fall they're going to talk to the DEF advisors about my situation and see if a social membership would be allowed, although I doubt it will be possible. Even though I'm not going to be in DEF with them, we'll always have ABC. And it's not like I have to stop talking to them or hanging out with them. There are plenty of things to do that don't have anything to do with DEF or XYZ or ABC. Watching tv together, going out to the bars, and gong to school sporting events have nothing to do with either sorority. I'm going to be a junior now anyway, and I'm 21 now so I'm going to try and get in contact with the XYZ alumnae group again and see if I can come to meetings and maybe I'll meet some people closer to my age.

re: my very few posts on the board, I've been an avid GC reader for years, since before I even started college. I just never felt the need to post and register until this situation came out.

[PhoenixAzul]

well, would it be possible for you to act in some sort of advisor role for your local sorority or become an early alum of their group? I don't know if the national chartering makes their past members national alum by default or what, but our alumnae chapter is pretty active and somewhat younger. Like you said, you're always going to have those girls. It's a very hard thing to take and I for one am impressed with your maturity !

[sugar and spice]

I'm not going to post how I really feel because I know it's not a popular opinion on GC and I don't really feel like having this same debate again -- but what I will say is that I know a girl who was in a similar situation as you are in. If I had known her before she had made the choice to double-initiate, I would have told her not to do it. Since I did not find out until after she had initiated into the second group, and I realized how much good it did for her, I absolutely supported her decision. Ultimately, some arbitrary NPC rule is not worth making yourself unhappy.

Of course, the same rule also goes in reverse -- breaking some NPC rule is not worth making yourself unhappy, and you have to realize that you are taking the risk that your secret may someday escape and you might lose membership in one or both organizations. Just keep in mind that if you decide to initiate into the second organization, you ARE taking a risk. And with so many of your sisters knowing your secret, it definitely has the chance to get out.

ps: haha, I just read the last post so most of this advice is pointless, but maybe it'll help somebody else out there who is struggling with the same issue. I think your head is in the right place here, though.

[doves95]

1) To answer a few of the questions or comments... if the chapter colonizes as an NPC from a local the past alums are NOT automatically also the NPC sorority members BUT can request at the initiation (usually when the chapter gets re-colonized) to be initatied and they are considered alumnae members. Many GLO's go this to support the new chapter and create advisors who know the school and help the new girls.

2) the comment about an arbitrary rule about not joining 2 NPC chapters is a vital rule. How would you like people GLO hop-ing on campus b/c they dont like their sisters and they know your ritual--which is unique to each group and what separates each group---being shared.

3) When I said Honor initiate or alum initiate they are NO DIFFERENT from the "traditional" initate at any chapter EXCEPT that they are initated as an alum ( IE: they are not in college anymore) b/c some alum/collegiate thought they would be great contributors to the GLO and want them a part of the GLO. They are under the same rights and rules as every other member and I KNOW for a fact (I have many GLO friends who are involved on a national lvl) many GLO's have them as an option. Honor not meaning "just b/c" but usually b/c they are people of honor and are initiatiated at a convention by the national council.

[kddani]

Originally posted by doves95
3) When I said Honor initiate or alum initiate they are NO DIFFERENT from the "traditional" initate at any chapter EXCEPT that they are initated as an alum ( IE: they are not in college anymore) b/c some alum/collegiate thought they would be great contributors to the GLO and want them a part of the GLO. They are under the same rights and rules as every other member and I KNOW for a fact (I have many GLO friends who are involved on a national lvl) many GLO's have them as an option. Honor not meaning "just b/c" but usually b/c they are people of honor and are initiatiated at a convention by the national council.

Ummm... who said they were different in any way? Most of us here have become fairly well versed in AI (alumnae initiation) and it's been discussed ad naseum in other forums here on GC. And that FACT that you claim to know is NOT absolutely true for every NPC group. For instance, in my own group, AI is VERY rare. There are some groups that AI is very common, there are just as many others where it is rare or nearly non-existant.

In any event, it's absolutely irrelevant to this case because she is already an intiated member of her first NPC sorority.

[doves95]

I did NOT say all GLO's .. I said many.

I dont "claim" anything. I say what I know based on friends experiences as national reps for their GLO's and my experiences as an advisor.


and one of the previous posts asked her if she can be an honorary sister (suggesting a difference in types of membership/initation) to attend like socials, sisterhood, etc. and not formal chapters or rituals which is why I commented about being honor initate.. FYI there are people on here who are not greeks and may not be familiar with it.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by doves95


2) the comment about an arbitrary rule about not joining 2 NPC chapters is a vital rule. How would you like people GLO hop-ing on campus b/c they dont like their sisters and they know your ritual--which is unique to each group and what separates each group---being shared.

If they were good people and good sisters (and naturally did not spill details of the first group's ritual to the sisters of the second or vice versa) I wouldn't care. But the situations I spoke of earlier involve girls who initiate on one campus, then transfer to another and join a second group there.

Honestly, I can't speak with much definite authority because I don't know each NPC group's ritual, but from what I do know, they are not all that different. At their heart, they all emphasize being a good person. I don't think you'll find any significant differences from group to group.

There is nothing in the world that is ever going to convince me that that particular NPC rule is not arbitrary or that it helps more people than it hurts. Your mileage may vary, of course.