Theo Van Gogh, the Dutch Filmmaker Who Criticized Islam, Slain in Amsterdam

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by Munchkin03

People who comment on world affairs without any real awareness, and then attempt to be patronizing when challenged, annoy me to no end.

This made me laugh. You are passing judgement about my knowledge of world affairs because I just don't care about the film dutchmaker. Oh wait, I'm not supposed to say that right???

But hey, I don't think its right that he was killed..but thats for the law to deal with.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
This made me laugh. You are passing judgement about my knowledge of world affairs because I just don't care about the film dutchmaker. Oh wait, I'm not supposed to say that right???

But hey, I don't think its right that he was killed..but thats for the law to deal with.

You seem to qualify this person's death by your religious extremism. That's great. I'm sure quite a few religious extremists that aren't Muslim would understand if someone killed you and then say they didn't care that you died.

Of course, this is all incredibly ridiculous and nobody should say those things. I'm actually amazed sometimes when people just make these comments. It's like you're thinking something deep down and let it out without thinking.

-Rudey

[Peaches-n-Cream]

This story reminds me of Salman Rushdie when Ayatollah Khomeini issued a Fatwa against him because of his book Satanic Verses. A fatwa is an Islamic religious decree, but it has been used as a vehicle for militant Islamic fundamentalists to declare wars and death sentences on those who displease them.


I think that it's a tragedy that an artist can be murdered over his creation and a politician can be murdered for his opinions. This is a threat to freedom and justice everywhere. What's next? Will the extremists go after journalists who criticize them?

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by Rudey
You seem to qualify this person's death by your religious extremism. That's great. I'm sure quite a few religious extremists that aren't Muslim would understand if someone killed you and then say they didn't care that you died.
-Rudey

I'm surprised that you are calling me a religious extremist because I couldn't care less for that man for disrespecting my religion in the name of art. I'm sorry that you feel any muslim who is mildly offended by someone's work would be qualified as an "extremis"..or maybe people are so quick to use that word for a muslim everytime they say something that most people would not agree with. I do not justify that man's death, nor did I inference that in my previous posts. I pity simple-minded people like you really and phipsiruss. You go on other threads telling people they deserve to die...maybe you are an extremist yourself? mmmm but then again you are not muslim so....i guess not?


I just can't stand hipocrasy, that's all....

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by _Opi_
I just can't stand hipocrasy, that's all....

What's that?

[_Opi_]

Maybe it's a spelling error...


I meant to say hypocrisy. Do I have any more spelling errors in my posts? and since you're nitpicking, I guess that means you have nothing better to say.

Not everyone's first language is English..so maybe we can ease off on the arrogance?

[James]

Naaah, but it might be nicer for those that just want to nit pick grammar to offer to edit people's posts for them

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
I'm surprised that you are calling me a religious extremist because I couldn't care less for that man for disrespecting my religion in the name of art. I'm sorry that you feel any muslim who is mildly offended by someone's work would be qualified as an "extremis"..or maybe people are so quick to use that word for a muslim everytime they say something that most people would not agree with. I do not justify that man's death, nor did I inference that in my previous posts. I pity simple-minded people like you really and phipsiruss. You go on other threads telling people they deserve to die...maybe you are an extremist yourself? mmmm but then again you are not muslim so....i guess not?


I just can't stand hipocrasy, that's all....

You tried to justify it, because otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned his work. It's funny because you don't even know what it's about and you're busy attacking him.

Nobody said anything about any and all Muslims - I said something about YOU. It's funny, I came from a country of extremists and rejected it. It seems you've embraced it.

-Rudey

[_Opi_]

lol@embracing extremism.


you can call me an extremist, a radical, a fundamentalist, an "islamist", bla bla bla..but the fact still remains:

1) you don't know me
2) I couldn't give a shit about anyone who disrespects me
3) You are full of contradictions and hypocrisies
4) You will find any and every reason to call a muslim an extremist because they don't think the way you do. Maybe you have a past with them...who knows really. Get over it.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
lol@embracing extremism.


you can call me an extremist, a radical, a fundamentalist, an "islamist", bla bla bla..but the fact still remains:

1) you don't know me
2) I couldn't give a shit about anyone who disrespects me
3) You are full of contradictions and hypocrisies
4) You will find any and every reason to call a muslim an extremist because they don't think the way you do. Maybe you have a past with them...who knows really. Get over it.

Keep trying to explain how you justified someone being murdered because they insulted Islam by talking about how women are oppressed.

-Rudey

Originally posted by _Opi_
I'm surprised that you are calling me a religious extremist because I couldn't care less for that man for disrespecting my religion in the name of art. I'm sorry that you feel any muslim who is mildly offended by someone's work would be qualified as an "extremis"..or maybe people are so quick to use that word for a muslim everytime they say something that most people would not agree with. I do not justify that man's death, nor did I inference that in my previous posts. I pity simple-minded people like you really and phipsiruss. You go on other threads telling people they deserve to die...maybe you are an extremist yourself? mmmm but then again you are not muslim so....i guess not?


I just can't stand hipocrasy, that's all....

So is the Muslim who was offended by this guy's art and killed him an extremist?

I'm not trying to pull the oppressed Christian card, because i really don't like to do that, but think about how often Christianity is degraded for the sake of art. Paintings of the Virgin Mary consisting of feces, performance artists urinating into jars then dropping crucifixes into them, plays and other artwork mocking Christ's life or portraying him as homosexual, etc. I'm sure that Rudey could expound on the times that the Jewish faith has been mocked as well in the name of art.

The difference is that those artists aren't murdered in cold blood, then have their murders written off as, "well, that's what he gets".

It is refreshing to see the mainstream Islamic groups condemning the killing though.

KS 361 times i'm ashamed of radical Christians that kill abortion doctors and would be more ashamed of ones that kill artists.

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by Rudey
Keep trying to explain how you justified someone being murdered because they insulted Islam by talking about how women are oppressed.

-Rudey

right. assuming of course that I justified his murder.

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
So is the Muslim who was offended by this guy's art and killed him an extremist?

I'm not trying to pull the oppressed Christian card, because i really don't like to do that, but think about how often Christianity is degraded for the sake of art. Paintings of the Virgin Mary consisting of feces, performance artists urinating into jars then dropping crucifixes into them, plays and other artwork mocking Christ's life or portraying him as homosexual, etc. I'm sure that Rudey could expound on the times that the Jewish faith has been mocked as well in the name of art.

The difference is that those artists aren't murdered in cold blood, then have their murders written off as, "well, that's what he gets".

It is refreshing to see the mainstream Islamic groups condemning the killing though.

KS 361 times i'm ashamed of radical Christians that kill abortion doctors and would be more ashamed of ones that kill artists.

Ok here is the thing though. Did I say anywhere in my previous posts that he deserved what he got? I don't think so...Did I say his life is worth less than another human being? I don't think so..but here is the thing, the law is supposed to deal with lunatics who kill other people. I believe in justice and all that good stuff. If you want to go into condeming the murder, well that's a whole other story. Here is what I said on my first post: "However, a murder is a murder. And a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack. So I hope that justice does prevail."

I on the other hand will not mourn for that man because he is an artist and a van gogh. and if that makes me an extremist...then the boundaries for that word has just been widened, and I'm sure many people will fall under that category.

If I was a christian and someone depicted Mary as you described, hell yeah I would be offended. I still wouldn't pick up a weapon to kill that artist.

As for the person who did kill that man, he would be an extremist.

[Rudey]

If you didn't care, why did you post? Please tell me why.

Nobody said you should care because he was a film maker or a Van Gogh. You should care because someone was murdered by a terrorist. And if you don't care, don't post! Why post to say you don't care?!? Oh hey well you also justify his murder so hmmm....

So you say that it was a murder and a terrorist attack but also say that you don't care and also try to justify it because he talked about women's roles in Islam.

Perhaps you should stop making such awful comments and concentrate on how you want to get into a sorority.

-Rudey

Originally posted by _Opi_
Ok here is the thing though. Did I say anywhere in my previous posts that he deserved what he got? I don't think so...Did I say his life is worth less than another human being? I don't think so..but here is the thing, the law is supposed to deal with lunatics who kill other people. I believe in justice and all that good stuff. If you want to go into condeming the murder, well that's a whole other story. Here is what I said on my first post: "However, a murder is a murder. And a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack. So I hope that justice does prevail."

I on the other hand will not mourn for that man because he is an artist and a van gogh. and if that makes me an extremist...then the boundaries for that word has just been widened, and I'm sure many people will fall under that category.

If I was a christian and someone depicted Mary as you described, hell yeah I would be offended. I still wouldn't pick up a weapon to kill that artist.

As for the person who did kill that man, he would be an extremist.

[_Opi_]

So you say that it was a murder and a terrorist attack but also say that you don't care and also try to justify it because he talked about women's roles in Islam.

Pretty much. I dont like his choice of .....art. And don't even think about going off about how I don't care about women's rights in Islam...because you will not win that fight.

Perhaps you should stop making such awful comments and concentrate on how you want to get into a sorority.

digressing from the issue means that you obviously don't have a better comeback. Its okay rudey, maybe next time. How about I make you a deal...when you stop posting awful comments, ...I'll stop