Laura Bush heckled by mother of dead soldier

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Why do you hate Bush? This is very personal with you.

The alcoholic cokehead is trying to push a constituional apartheid of which I would be of the second-class status. Why should I not hate him?

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
This needs to be repeated. Since he had to go through ROTC to become a 1st Lt., it's not like he made the decision to join the Army on a whim. But there is the very loose argument that the GI Bill and assisting with college finance is the "new draft".

Recently, this "loose argument" has become quite popular among some extremists in my area. It's really shaky footing, although it may carry more truth than at first glance it would appear.

The reality, though, is that regardless of social and economic issues, there is no requirement to join the Army, there is no requirement to utilize it for college, and there is no excuse for those in military service who joined for the 'free college' never expecting to actually go to war.

To me, the flipside of the argument is that those who take advantage of the GI Bill and etc, but expected to never see wartime service, were doing just that: taking advantage of a government program. There's a fine line between the "new draft" and "stealing from the government," and I personally feel there is a little truth to each side.

(Total hijack, but I thought it necessary to respond to a smart post by ISUPhiPsi so he sees what it should be like.)

[Kevin]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
The alcoholic cokehead is trying to push a constituional apartheid of which I would be of the second-class status. Why should I not hate him?

The man has touched neither in more than 20 years. How that is relevant to anything today is completely beyond me. Of course... Bill Clinton never inhaled so we can see how bad President Bush is.

Though I disagree with his position on gay marriage, I understand that the foundation of his reasoning is in the religious teachings that he believes in. At least we have a President now that believes in something and has a firm foundation as opposed to one that acknowledges the church's position but decides it won't win him enough votes. Though I disagree with Bush on that issue, I find the way that Kerry doesn't really seem to actually believe in anything to be morally repugnant compared to the Presiden who actually holds an unpopular opinion due to his personal beliefs.

I think strong leadership is a more important quality than certain individual issues. I plan on practicing family law as soon as I get a JD. Gay marriage (or actually, divorce) is definitely something that will have an impact on my bottom line

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by ktsnake
The man has touched neither in more than 20 years. How that is relevant to anything today is completely beyond me.

He did cocaine at Camp Davide during his father's presidency- that was less than 20 years ago.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Rudey got pwned.

What the heck are you talking about? I think you've seen way too many episodes of Will & Grace and need to just stop copping this annoying attitude.

-Rudey
--PLEASE STOP USING YOUR GEEKY WARCRAFT COMPUTER GAME DEFINITIONS YOU LOSER!

[Kevin]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
He did cocaine at Camp Davide during his father's presidency- that was less than 20 years ago.

Says Kitty? Moore? Two very credible sources.

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[KSigkid]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
He did cocaine at Camp Davide during his father's presidency- that was less than 20 years ago.

Says Kitty, that oh-so-believable author.

He's also put any drug and alcohol problems behind him, something I give him credit for.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
He did cocaine at Camp Davide during his father's presidency- that was less than 20 years ago.

Allegedly. I'm not aware anyone has proved that.

ETA:

"He's also put any drug and alcohol problems behind him, something I give him credit for."

Any drug abuser or alcoholic will tell you that the problem is never behind you. It would seem, though, that he has done pretty well so far.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Allegedly. I'm not aware anyone has proved that.

ETA:

"He's also put any drug and alcohol problems behind him, something I give him credit for."

Any drug abuser or alcoholic will tell you that the problem is never behind you. It would seem, though, that he has done pretty well so far.

There is a difference between someone who "parties" and someone who is an addict.

-Rudey

[Peaches-n-Cream]

What does President Bush's alleged drug and alcohol use/experiences/problems/addiction have to do with this thread?

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
There is a difference between someone who "parties" and someone who is an addict.

An addict.

That's generally what someone with a "problem" is, as it has been described and was said as a response to an earlier post.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
What does President Bush's alleged drug and alcohol use/experiences/problems/addiction have to do with this thread?

It doesn't.

However since IowaStatePhiPsi wants to attack another man's character:

IowaStatePhiPsi drinks alcohol and gets drunk - by all measured fitting the category of problem binge drinking. Perhaps we could call him an alcoholic?

IowaStatePhiPsi talked in a thread on chit chat about how he was going to hit on boy scouts, made a remark about wishing he was a twink (a sexual term for a young boy), and talked in the Entertainment forum of salivating over several young characters on television shows. These are all facts and he tried to justify it all with the age of consent in his state being lower. Perhaps we can come up with some sort of label for this fellow.

-Rudey

[HelloKitty22]

Originally posted by dekeguy
a pattern of acting a grossly inappropriate manner regardingthe tragic but honorable death of her son

I'm sorry but no matter how patriotic you are or how much this country and its military honors the death of one of its soldiers who dies in battle, to a mother who has lost her son the death is just as painful as if he was killed here in a car accident or in a violent crime. There is little comfort in the "honor" of his death. Moreover, I find nothing dishonorable in the way in which this woman has acted. She is exercising the exact freedom her son fought to protect!!!
While you may not agree with the way this particular mother chose to exercise her first amendment rights, her actions are not "grossly innappropriate." The most fundamental cornerstone of the first amendment is that we should be able to question our political leaders. Mrs. Bush is campaigning for her husband and therefore is open to protests and questioning because she is choosing to make speeches and campaign for votes in a political campaign.
Furthermore, everyone seems to be avoiding the point of the mother's protest. Why aren't the children of members of congress serving in this war? Why aren't Mr. and Mrs. Bush sending their daughters to serve in the military? The political leaders of this country spend a tremendous amount of time telling us how important the war is and how we must sacrifice both financially and emotionally to send our sons and daughters oversees to win this war, yet only one member of Congress has made the ultimate sacrifice and sent a child to Iraq. If this war is so important to our safety and our survival as a nation, why aren't George and Laura sending Jenna and Barbara over there to fight??

[Rudey]

dekeguy serves in the military. I think he fully understands honor and serving for one's country.

George Bush did not kill this woman's son. An Arab did (or whomever).

George Bush is not the end all, be all of government. People voted to go to Iraq. John Kerry is one such person who voted to fight in Iraq. However, John Kerry chose not to fund out soldiers after the war started and that funding could have possibly saved lives.

Again, why don't you question why Kerry's daughters aren't there? Are you somehow jaded that you have to keep bringing up Bush?

And again, this is a war. In a war people die. In a military people volunteer to join. Would you make this argument about any war?? Or did you just randomly pick Iraq?

The son served honorably and gave a great sacrifice not only to our country, America, but also to a country that was haunted by mass murders and torture at the hands of Saddam Hussein. The mother is understandably upset, but she has to accept this at some point.

-Rudey

Originally posted by HelloKitty22
I'm sorry but no matter how patriotic you are or how much this country and its military honors the death of one of its soldiers who dies in battle, to a mother who has lost her son the death is just as painful as if he was killed here in a car accident or in a violent crime. There is little comfort in the "honor" of his death. Moreover, I find nothing dishonorable in the way in which this woman has acted. She is exercising the exact freedom her son fought to protect!!!
While you may not agree with the way this particular mother chose to exercise her first amendment rights, her actions are not "grossly innappropriate." The most fundamental cornerstone of the first amendment is that we should be able to question our political leaders. Mrs. Bush is campaigning for her husband and therefore is open to protests and questioning because she is choosing to make speeches and campaign for votes in a political campaign.
Furthermore, everyone seems to be avoiding the point of the mother's protest. Why aren't the children of members of congress serving in this war? Why aren't Mr. and Mrs. Bush sending their daughters to serve in the military? The political leaders of this country spend a tremendous amount of time telling us how important the war is and how we must sacrifice both financially and emotionally to send our sons and daughters oversees to win this war, yet only one member of Congress has made the ultimate sacrifice and sent a child to Iraq. If this war is so important to our safety and our survival as a nation, why aren't George and Laura sending Jenna and Barbara over there to fight??

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by HelloKitty22
Furthermore, everyone seems to be avoiding the point of the mother's protest. Why aren't the children of members of congress serving in this war? Why aren't Mr. and Mrs. Bush sending their daughters to serve in the military? The political leaders of this country spend a tremendous amount of time telling us how important the war is and how we must sacrifice both financially and emotionally to send our sons and daughters oversees to win this war, yet only one member of Congress has made the ultimate sacrifice and sent a child to Iraq. If this war is so important to our safety and our survival as a nation, why aren't George and Laura sending Jenna and Barbara over there to fight??

STOP! hammer time!

No, seriously, STOP! Ease off it sister, because you're completely out of line here. While SIATS (shit in a tee-shirt, for those of you who didn't know) Mikey Moore wants you to believe that congressional children are somehow exempted or prevented from serving in the military, the raw numbers for military service are HIGHER among elected officials (compared w/ national averages), and EXACTLY THE SAME for their children.

The reason why moore gave a number, rather than a percentage then comparing that to the nat'l avg? Because the number sounds low, but the number of people serving in the military is sparse compared to the number of people in the nation in total.

And as for why the Bush twins aren't enlisted . . . jesus, what a weak argument. They're college-aged women; do you want me to pull out the figures for how few college-aged, college-enrolled women are enlisted into the service? Do you want to discuss how far from infantry duty they would be required to serve? Or maybe how infinitely different their service duty would be than the woman's son who died?

It's a strawman, and you know it. There is no argument to be found in "why aren't congressional children in combat!??!??!??1"