Another Colorado student found dead in a fraternity house... - Page 2

LXAAlum · #16 09-22-2004, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Well, at least the beauty queen part.

I was hoping those pics of me and my tiara had been destroyed, actually.

My wife was Miss Deaf Colorado when I first met her, so, believe it or not, LXAALUM did manage to marry a beauty queen. Don't ask me how, because I'm still puzzled, but happy nonetheless!

exlurker · #17 09-23-2004, 12:42 PM

A news report indicates there was whiskey and wine at a pledge event, followed by beer back at the house. Only a small amount of cocaine was found at the house, and drugs are not thought to be a factor in Bailey's death. Looks like the coroner's report may be issued next week.

Buckets were set up to allow a couple of pledges (one of whom survived -- he also had his face marked) to vomit.

http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/buffz...203253,00.html

TN-TX ADPi · #18 09-23-2004, 01:49 PM

What a tragedy. Thoughts and prayers for the family, friends, and campus.

In regards to one of the articles, it says several times how many of the brothers are not interviewing or cooperating. I know that according to ADPi policy (and I'm assuming other GLO's have the same policy), only the chapter advisor and president can make statements. Now, I understand for a police investigation, they (the police) would want everyone to give their own account, but is it possible, the fraternity hasn't "ok'd" others to speak about this? If that is the case, I just hate how the article made the brothers look:uncoopertive and uncaring.

Just a thought.

exlurker · #19 09-23-2004, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by TN-TX ADPi
What a tragedy. Thoughts and prayers for the family, friends, and campus.

In regards to one of the articles, it says several times how many of the brothers are not interviewing or cooperating. I know that according to ADPi policy (and I'm assuming other GLO's have the same policy), only the chapter advisor and president can make statements. Now, I understand for a police investigation, they (the police) would want everyone to give their own account, but is it possible, the fraternity hasn't "ok'd" others to speak about this? If that is the case, I just hate how the article made the brothers look:uncoopertive and uncaring.

Just a thought.

TN_TXADPi, whatever Chi Psi may have advised the members and pledges, several news reports, including a story in today's (9/23) Denver Post, have said that a number of the guys in the fraternity have gotten lawyers. Just a guess (and I could be wrong), but their lawyers are probably telling them to keep mum too. The police undoubtedly would prefer to get as much information as they can, but even the slightest possibility of a huge lawsuit can make people very cautious. (I have no idea whether a lawsuit might be pursued, but the press and TV coverage has included information about Bailey's family: father is a retired vice president of Kidder, Peabody living in Ketchum, Idaho -- that is, Sun Valley; stepfather is a "prominent Dallas businessman"; and Bailey's prep school was Deerfield. All that points to a very well-to-do family that might be able and possibly willing to mount one heck of a lawsuit, but who knows. At this point we don't even have an official cause of death.)

TN-TX ADPi · #20 09-23-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by exlurker
TN_TXADPi, whatever Chi Psi may have advised the members and pledges, several news reports, including a story in today's (9/23) Denver Post, have said that a number of the guys in the fraternity have gotten lawyers. Just a guess (and I could be wrong), but their lawyers are probably telling them to keep mum too. The police undoubtedly would prefer to get as much information as they can, but even the slightest possibility of a huge lawsuit can make people very cautious. (I have no idea whether a lawsuit might be pursued, but the press and TV coverage has included information about Bailey's family: father is a retired vice president of Kidder, Peabody living in Ketchum, Idaho -- that is, Sun Valley; stepfather is a "prominent Dallas businessman"; and Bailey's prep school was Deerfield. All that points to a very well-to-do family that might be able and possibly willing to mount one heck of a lawsuit, but who knows. At this point we don't even have an official cause of death.)

I agree with you totally about the lawyers. I'm sure they are telling their clients to keep silent. My point was just that the general public once again may use this against greeks. "Look at those guys, keeping quiet, not offering any info or assistance, blah, blah, blah..."
Maybe the public won't think that way, but I really can see it happening.

LXAAlum · #21 09-30-2004, 12:34 PM

Heard on the radio yesterday that CU's President has decreed that Greek Rush will no longer be able to rush fall (or first semester) freshmen anymore.

Rushee's must now be at least second-semester freshmen to rush. More fallout from this tragedy.

DeltAlum · #22 09-30-2004, 01:10 PM

She thinks four months will make a big difference.

Another brilliant decision by the CU administration.
(thinking back with chagrin about the football recruiting scandal among others)

Tom Earp · #23 09-30-2004, 05:50 PM

Well Co. Guys, CU it seems as in the forepaw front of being a What Me situation.

Again, a knee jerk off reaction by the Academain Peeps.

They dont want to control, they do not want to condone, they dont, they dont! They want to stay clear of the Fit That Hits The Shan.

But, this is not the only school doing this.

Strange, there are other schools who are doing just the opposite and working with Greeks.

Oh, love that The Football Staff at C U was kept even though the shit hit the fan!

Guess, it boils down to BS walks and $$$ Talks.

exlurker · #24 09-30-2004, 07:32 PM

[shrug] Eh. [/shrug] The U. of Colorado proposal sounds like the kind of thing that virtually all corporations, nonprofits, and government agencies do: appear to take some kind of action while hoping the problem will go away or at least recede from the public's consciousness.

I anticipate there'll be several GC posts explaining that The End Of The World Is At Hand Right Here In Colorado if this proposal becomes a reality. That's okay, and also to be expected. Just a reminder, though: there are decent schools out there that have deferred rush / recruitment -- Northwestern, Duke, Southern Methodist, Stanford, and plenty of others. It's not total catastrophe.

At least the U. of Colorado isn't proposing the draconian solution espoused by Frank Sinatra about forty-odd years ago . . . .

DeltAlum · #25 09-30-2004, 11:53 PM

Deferred rush works fine at a number of places so I don't think it's the end of the world -- I just don't think that Freshmen change that much in four months.

If anyone has any proof to the contrary, I'd be happy to see it. I have always thought that deferred rush was an academic tool so that new students didn't have the extra time committments as they get used to college -- not an anti-alcohol measure.

exlurker · #26 10-01-2004, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Deferred rush works fine at a number of places so I don't think it's the end of the world -- I just don't think that Freshmen change that much in four months.

If anyone has any proof to the contrary, I'd be happy to see it. I have always thought that deferred rush was an academic tool so that new students didn't have the extra time committments as they get used to college -- not an anti-alcohol measure.

No argument there, DeltAlum. We've seen enough instances of 21st birthday celebrations turning into funerals due to rapid overdrinking to believe that alcohol misuse is exclusively a freshman problem.

As to another angle -- I was struck by the Denver Post's coverage of the U. of Colorado fraternities' response to the deferred rush proposal. From the report I gathered that the fraternities are taking the opportunity not only to oppose the idea of deferred rush, but also to end their current (laxly-enforced) voluntary ban on alcohol. They apparently are suggesting hired bouncers at fraternity parties, a stipulated number of sober brother "observers," making sober drivers available, etc.

Time will tell, as I'm always saying.

Speaking of time, is it just me or does the timing of advocacy of "wet" parties at fraternity houses seem a bit off (given the deaths), no matter how many new policies are attached to the idea? Ah, it's probably just me; after all, they waited until after the vigil, the moment of silence at a game, and the initial outpouring of placing notes and balloons and stuff at the Chi Psi house were over.

33girl · #27 10-01-2004, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by exlurker
Speaking of time, is it just me or does the timing of advocacy of "wet" parties at fraternity houses seem a bit off (given the deaths), no matter how many new policies are attached to the idea?

No. Pushing alcohol consumption out of the parties and behind closed doors has obviously been a miserable failure, so they're definitely right to advocate bringing wet parties back.

DeltAlum · #28 10-05-2004, 10:03 AM

The Greek Advisor at Colorado State would appear to agree with some of us on the theory of deferred rush:

The following are excerpts from a story...

Rocky Mountain Collegian
Colorado State University
October 4, 2004

CSU Greek Life: Postponing Rush won't solve problems

by Megan Read

CSU's director of Greek Life, Mark Koepsell,
disagrees with Byyny's decision to postpone Rush
until second semester and does not think it will
solve various alcohol problems that are
associated with some fraternities and sororities.

"Deferred recruitment is only something to
consider if the fraternity or sorority chapter is
consistently underachieving academically. I don't
think deferred recruitment will have an impact on
alcohol culture because the situation in Boulder
could have happened first or second semester,"
Koepsell said.

Charles Huntsman, CSU's Greek Life vice
president, added that Rush in the fall gets
students heavily involved in campus activities
right away and postponing it until second
semester may discourage that.

"Deferred recruitment might get students more
familiar with the campus, but students who join
Greek Life always get involved immediately,"
Huntsman said.

exlurker · #29 10-07-2004, 01:47 PM

See the Rocky Mountain News article

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/lo...3235972,00.htm

Along with the reasons for closing the chapter, the article has an interesting quote from a national risk manager at Chi Psi expressing concern about the alcohol culture at colleges nationwide, and especially at the U. of Colorado.

Tom Earp · #30 10-07-2004, 05:16 PM

A Greek Advisor who has Stones to stand up and be counted!

No mater what We as National Greek Organizations try to do, number 1, kids for the first time are away from home and want to party have sex and live as an Adult.

As much as We as Nationals try and try to promote safe drinking, it is like promoting safe sex.

Drink less and wear a Condum, yea right.

Heat of the battle so to speak.

But the problem is no matter how hard it is preached, the sermon dont get to them.

I will live forever, but sometimes as has been shown it doesnt happen!

Maybe, it is up to Alums to keep a clock on them as Alums are of all ages and need to remember, if the Chapter is gone, then what?