Iran hangs 16 yr old girl for having a “sharp tongue”

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by ktsnake
John Calvin had a 16 year old executed for the same reason.

But that was 400 years ago, so I don't see how it has any bearing on today's society.

Just showing that many world religions are violent at some point and all are constantly adjusting and changing to meet the collective viewpoints of their members. Many in high places get off of founding---> bad things happen. Many want change---> change happens, but often slowly.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Just showing that many world religions are violent at some point and all are constantly adjusting and changing to meet the collective viewpoints of their members. Many in high places get off of founding---> bad things happen. Many want change---> change happens, but often slowly.

You haven't shown anything. Islam in its beginnings was a peaceful religion. In fact, after conquering Northern Africa, Spain, etc., that area experienced a real golden age in terms of art, religious freedom, architecture, technology, etc. The current Jihadist Islam is more of a creature of nationalism mixed with religion than anything else (a hell of a dangerous thing).

Yes, religious movements do change. They change due to outside and inside influences. That doesn't in any way justify or explain the condoning of some of the brutal things they do in their societies. This is the 21st century, NOT the 17th. The standard isn't the same. We and they have far more collective knowledge, a bigger picture of the world, etc. This is not as simple as John Calvin having a teenager executed in Zurich for talking back to his parents.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
What is that supposed to mean? Please expand your hypothesis.

Umm dude for someone who says you don't know a lot about the Arab region you sure do question a lot of what people say about it.

Now seriously, when you get mutilated in public for a "crime" of morality/indecency I think that's pretty messed up you know?

-Rudey

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by Rudey
Now seriously, when you get mutilated in public for a "crime" of morality/indecency I think that's pretty messed up you know?

-Rudey

something we agree on.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Did I say they should allow human rights violations? No.
Did I note that they are doing the same thing that Christians did at about the same time in their development? Yes.
If you look in Saudi Arabia, Europe and the US you can see the budding of a potential reform movement within the Islamic faith, in most cases almost as a response in anger of those who have taken the faith to fundamentalist extremes and warped it to promote violence in the name of Allah. Will it develop into an actual reform movement? I dont know, I dont pay enough attention- I have noticed Saudi Arabia having relaxed regulations allowing a greater freedom of speech which would work in favor of those wanting to fight against fundamentalists from within the Islamic faith. But currently it is still a battle of fundamentalists and religious conservatives vs. "western culture" instead of fundamentalists/hardliners/religious-conservatives vs. reformers.

Look at the Anglo boy talk about culture outside the Iowa cornfields.

-Rudey
--It's so cute!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
something we agree on.

But you're OK with it as long as it's not Judaism or Christianity?

-Rudey

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by Rudey
But you're OK with it as long as it's not Judaism or Christianity?

-Rudey

If you've noticed whenever someone comments closely to "oh Islam is a violent religion" I bring up examples of the violence of Christianity. I haven't brought up much of the violence of Judaism, but those can be found in the bible.

ETA: I should find some of the violence of Hinduism, but since the majority of users on here are American and the majority of Americans are Christian, I dont think such examples would be useful.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
If you've noticed whenever someone comments closely to "oh Islam is a violent religion" I bring up examples of the violence of Christianity. I haven't brought up much of the violence of Judaism, but those can be found in the bible.

ETA: I should find some of the violence of Hinduism, but since the majority of users on here are American and the majority of Americans are Christian, I dont think such examples would be useful.

The violence of Judaism? Geez kid give it a rest. You know nothing about religion it seems yet you're on here constantly showing how you dislike it. You don't want religion, fine. But respect it.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Umm dude for someone who says you don't know a lot about the Arab region you sure do question a lot of what people say about it.

Now seriously, when you get mutilated in public for a "crime" of morality/indecency I think that's pretty messed up you know?

-Rudey

I misread what he said. I thought he said "The number of cases similar to the above in that worldly religion would surprise many," not worldly region. Is Iran part of the Arabic world? I always thought it wasn't.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by moe.ron
I misread what he said. I thought he said "The number of cases similar to the above in that worldly religion would surprise many," not worldly region. Is Iran part of the Arabic world? I always thought it wasn't.

I think I misread that as well.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
I misread what he said. I thought he said "The number of cases similar to the above in that worldly religion would surprise many," not worldly region. Is Iran part of the Arabic world? I always thought it wasn't.

Iran is not Arab. In fact they hate the comparison and call it what you want (I'm not sure if it's racism) but they look down on Arabs quite a bit. However, it is still within the Arab region physically, economically, etc.

-Rudey

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by Rudey
You don't want religion, fine.

-Rudey

False Statement.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

There are so many places around the world where girls and women are considered a burden and disposable. It's so sad.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Iran is not Arab. In fact they hate the comparison and call it what you want (I'm not sure if it's racism) but they look down on Arabs quite a bit. However, it is still within the Arab region physically, economically, etc.

-Rudey

Do you have any hypothesis why the Iranian look down at the Arabs? Does it have to do with the perception of the Iranian being more "civilized" then the Arabic world?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Do you have any hypothesis why the Iranian look down at the Arabs? Does it have to do with the perception of the Iranian being more "civilized" then the Arabic world?

Yes and no. I can't describe it but Arabs are seen as nomads (putting it kindly without the rest of how they're viewed). It's definitely with Arabs but also other races and cultures.

-Rudey