Who would Usama vote for?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
Thats funny... last time I checked the index of support for US foreign relations abroad was scewed towards the uneducated being in favour while the more educated disapproving.... but then hey those silly people didn't go to a classy college like you

Really? So now you run opinion polls and run stat models on them to understand demographics so well? Your military training in the "Canadian" army, where you're not even an officer, trained you to tackle so many issues and problems.

-Rudey

[RACooper]

No... much simpler.. you know read newspapers, watch the news, attend Frum lecture series, attend International Relations seminar, attend Politics in Media seminar.... you know simple stuff that us simple uneducated non-Americans do...

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
No... much simpler.. you know read newspapers, watch the news, attend Frum lecture series, attend International Relations seminar, attend Politics in Media seminar.... you know simple stuff that us simple uneducated non-Americans do...

Show me that it's the uneducated foreigners that like America and the educated ones that dislike America. And then show me that they are unbiased. Go ahead cadet grunt. I bet you were the idiot soldier they made do pushups a lot just like in the movies. Look at you old man your whole life comes down to "I was in the Canadian military" and you weren't even an officer...bravo.

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Nope my whole life doesn't come down to that (although 1/3 of it was military).. anyways you'll find the vast majority of people weren't officers....

Anyways coming up with where I got the information jogged my memory abit... Frum was discussing the image and information problems with the Bush administration and how these might be overcome.... but first he had to identify specfic problems and their causes. When he talked about the support for conservative policies he made sure to note that there is an inexplicable (his term) trend towards liberal politics and support amongst the higher educated.. then he went through a number charts pointing out political support and educational background, from various countries. He postulated that the greatest "liberal" base was to be found in countries that have publically funded educational systems (used Canada and UK as examples here). At the time I thought that he was reaching, to try and come up with a simple root cause..... but reading the paper today the latest poll (Canadian election) was broken down by region, gender, age, and education (decided voters only)... and low and behold there it was, a spike in the support of "liberal" politics from the segment of society that had recieved the highest education....

Now is that trend also prelevent in the US? Becasue Frum's arguement at the time was that the institutes that cost the most were by and large the most supportive of "conservative" policies. He also pointed out the countries that had the greatest support for Bush had the least amount of public funding for schooling... wereas the reverse was also true... thoughts?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Thats like saying back in 2000 Osama would vote for Bush because the Clinton white house launched missles at him before.

Its missile (singular,) and Osama would have voted for Clinton because after the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the Clinton administration did next to nothing to fight Al Qaeda. Bill Clinton authorized the launch of only one missile at Osama, and it hit an empty tent. This reinforced Al Qaeda's view that America is weak. This contributed to their increasingly bold attacks, culminating in the attacks of September 11, 2001.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Its missile (singular,) and Osama would have voted for Clinton because after the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the Clinton administration did next to nothing to fight Al Qaeda. Bill Clinton authorized the launch of only one missile at Osama, and it hit an empty tent. This reinforced Al Qaeda's view that America is weak. This contributed to their increasingly bold attacks, culminating in the attacks of September 11, 2001.

I thought Clinton autorized strikes in Sudan and Afghanistan... guess that was one magic missile

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by RACooper


Now is that trend also prelevent in the US? Becasue Frum's arguement at the time was that the institutes that cost the most were by and large the most supportive of "conservative" policies. He also pointed out the countries that had the greatest support for Bush had the least amount of public funding for schooling... wereas the reverse was also true... thoughts?

I think that's pretty true in any country. Those with the least education vote for conservative groups just as those who are well educated and from affluent homes. The former Rosedale riding, for example, has elected more PC candidates than Liberal, and even with the new riding of Toronto-Centre, it's unlikely that it'll go NDP.


Vocab note:

Riding: The jurisdiction that a politician runs to represent
MP: Member of Parliament
MPP: Member of Provincial Parliament (used in Ontario only)
PC: Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. Now called the Conservative Party of Canada after merging with the Canadian Alliance.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by RACooper
I thought Clinton autorized strikes in Sudan and Afghanistan... guess that was one magic missile

Yeah, at the same time. Osama wasn't in both places, unless he's one magic Osama.

[Pike1483]

Yes, Yes, I know that terrorists don't actually vote and that Usama could care less about the democratic process. It was a hyptothetical situation that if Usama had to vote, I think he would vote Kerry, and he would definately vote Clinton if he could run again. The reason I say this is because based on the Clinton administration's actions toward him, I think he would vote Democrat. Clinton did next-to-nothing at the first trade center bombing, he did nothing after the USS Cole was hit, and he refused to capture Usama when the Sudan government was going to give him up on a silver platter. That's why I think he would vote Kerry. I think Bush has done tons to protect our country from terrorists, as their have been no major attacks since September 11 on American soil.
As for foreign relations, I, like Rudey, could care less. If Candada wants to nag, good for them. It's not going to effect our decisions, just like France isn't going to effect our decisions.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Pike1483
As for foreign relations, I, like Rudey, could care less. If Candada wants to nag, good for them. It's not going to effect our decisions, just like France isn't going to effect our decisions.

I'd be happy if the questions and opinions brought forward by other nations at least made people question/examine the actions or polocies of the government (no matter what country they are from).

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by RACooper
No... much simpler.. you know read newspapers, watch the news, attend Frum lecture series, attend International Relations seminar, attend Politics in Media seminar.... you know simple stuff that us simple uneducated non-Americans do...

I have a diploma from the Dale Carnegie Sales Series, I was the Sales Talk Champion - I also regularly read the Economist, and I also watch a shit ton of msnbc. I watch TV religiously, and I read books . . . about stuff . . . and then I sit and ponder. I mean, I deeply ponder.

Whether or not I raise the interest rates at the Fed is still up in the air - any suggestions?

-RC
--You don't even see the irony in your statements

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Pike1483
In the upcoming Presidential elections, who do you think Usama bin Laden would vote for if he could vote? Between Bush and Kerry, who do you honestly think Usama would vote for?

I think he would vote Kerry. What are your opinions? I think the majority of terrorists out there would vote for Kerry.

LOL

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by moe.ron
I think Satan would vote for me.

I agree wholeheartedly with you.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by Pike1483
In the upcoming Presidential elections, who do you think Usama bin Laden would vote for if he could vote? Between Bush and Kerry, who do you honestly think Usama would vote for?

I think he would vote Kerry. What are your opinions? I think the majority of terrorists out there would vote for Kerry.

Understanding your question is meant for discussion...and not saying that Usama would actually vote...Usama..and or any of his terrorist cells (who likely can vote in the US) would definitely vote for John Kerry. They'd vote for anyone that wouldn't put THEM on the defensive...

It still amazes me that people think GWB was supposed to do something in his 8 months of presidency (before 9/11) than Clinton did in his 8 years can ya be any more naive?

[sugar and spice]

I think he'd vote for Bush since as of yet the current admin has failed to capture the guy. If Osama wants to stay alive, why not stick with the current strategies that are keeping him that way?

In all seriousness, I think it's a pretty pointless question to debate. It relies on the stereotype that no Democrats think the military is important and all Republicans do, which is not only not true in general, but -- at least I think -- particularly untrue in the post-9/11 days. Any president who's in office in the next few years, liberal or conservative, is going to put a lot of importance in the military and anti-terrorism in general.