Southern Illinois U. charges Pi Kappa Alpha amid drowning of pledge

[BobbyTheDon]

its ok Tom Earp. don't let it happen again or 1) i will send you to a home 2) i will pull the plug

[phigamucsb]

Let me just say that no fraternity is above criticism on this site. My fraternity got kicked off campus and I had to see numerous posts by Hoosier so I don't think there is any malicious intent on the part of the LXA members on this site. I just don't think you guys are right in saying that PKA doesn't have a history of hazing. Every fraternity has a history of shitty hazing incidents. Must I remind you that PKA had a pledge drown at University of Nevada about a year and a half ago due to hazing. Every headquarters has to deal with numerous hazing allegations.

[Tom Earp]

Bobby, Dude, your being to kind, but there are many here who would be first in line!

You are on the on deck circle!

phigamucsb, you could not have stated it any better.

There are not of us above reproach by any streatch of the imagination.

Remember folks, this is not posted all over the web world by hoosier or anyone else. It is posted to by at least the 3 that I get the information from and there are a lot more. It aint no damn secret.

Each of us cringe when our names are mention, not making fun of any at other Greeks. This means each time it happens, it hurts us all. Get it?

I am a LXA and damn proud just as each of you in your Greek Organizations should be!

But, We are as a Greek Organization as a whole and take the fall the same way, kind of if one does it, well, I guess in the peoples eye, We All Do IT!

The good is not news, the bad is! Just ask some of the lawyersw, media people, school people, National people on GC if I am wrong.

Oh yes by the by, all of the mentioned above are here!

[cashmoney]

All I'm saying is that it seems like some people like to post bad shit about Pikes more than any other org. I mean Damn, if it was KD being blasted all over GC you'd have a greek chat wild fire.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by cashmoney
All I'm saying is that it seems like some people like to post bad shit about Pikes more than any other org. I mean Damn, if it was KD being blasted all over GC you'd have a greek chat wild fire.

Truth is that it seems to me that the Tekes have really been taking it in the shorts recently. These things seem to run in cycles. There was a time a few months ago when there were two or three problems with Delt Chapters within a very short time.

There may be an exception or two -- who generally get "shouted down" -- who are particularly nasty to one group or another. For the most part, I think folks need to know about others mistakes to help them shape the future of their own organization.

[Tom Earp]

DeltaAlum, maybe it is just The PiKas time in the barrel for being or doing stupid things.

I dont really know for sure, but I know that The Chapter at my Alma Mater is having problems just as LXA and SPE had problems. It was a choice, bet your S**T together or be gone via the SCHOOL AND INTERNATIONAL!

So for all Of You Pikes, dont get your underware in a bundle unless you just want to complain about reports of you Chapters that do screw up! You arent alone! Quit crying woe is me, pickinig on PKA!

Get off of your collective fingers and check all of the sites on GC!

[HPU PIKE]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
DeltaAlum, maybe it is just The PiKas time in the barrel for being or doing stupid things.

I dont really know for sure, but I know that The Chapter at my Alma Mater is having problems just as LXA and SPE had problems. It was a choice, bet your S**T together or be gone via the SCHOOL AND INTERNATIONAL!

So for all Of You Pikes, dont get your underware in a bundle unless you just want to complain about reports of you Chapters that do screw up! You arent alone! Quit crying woe is me, pickinig on PKA!

Get off of your collective fingers and check all of the sites on GC!

Without "getting my underwear* in a bundle," I will address this issue. As of the time I am writing this post (nearly 7 a.m.), the first 4 threads listed under the hazing category are about Pike chapters. I think a little concern on the part of my brothers is more than necessary. Call it whining, but we refuse to allow our name to be dragged through the mud. You can rationalize the negative postings as "learning from others mistakes" and you can say "all of the greek community is affected and are sorry for what happened," but it really just appears that you are reveling in the downfall of other orgs/chapters. Whether or not that is the case I would hope not, but be aware that when someone continually posts negative reports about any org...it's members are rightfully going to go on the defensive. To my fellow Pikes, thanks for standing up for our organization, just as I would hope everyone else on here would do for their own.

[kddani]

No one's really picking on Pikes (trust me, i'm one of the last GCers to stick up for some of these other GCers).

Unfortunately, you guys have had several highly visible risk management issues in the past few months. When bad things happen, things get talked about.

TKE's have had spells like this (several bad things coming out at once), I think maybe LXA has as well.

It's one thing to defend your fraternity, but it's another to turn a blind eye to some of the things that have happened and just accuse everyone of "Pike hatin'" If your boys didn't do something wrong in the first place, it wouldn't be being talked about.

I'm not Pike hating. I know a lot of great Pikes, I dated one for awhile. But you guys are just having a PR nightmare right now. Please, for the sake of your fraternity, accept that it happened and deal with it like mature young men that your fraternity has raised you to be, instead of coming on here and getting irate about things.

ETA: i'm not saying all of you have been irate. Some of you have had great things to say.

[HPU PIKE]

I'm not irate, I just refuse to allow ill-informed comments to be made. For instance, one person alleged that PiKA has a national history of hazing. It's comments like those that I get defensive about because they're simply not true. Yes, chapters haze and have for a long time, but to say that our organization as a whole has a history of hazing paints a false image. You are right, certain Pike chapters are causing a PR nightmare for the fraternity, but why keep harping on the negative?

[_Lisa_]

Originally posted by HPU PIKE
I'm not irate, I just refuse to allow ill-informed comments to be made. For instance, one person alleged that PiKA has a national history of hazing. It's comments like those that I get defensive about because they're simply not true. Yes, chapters haze and have for a long time, but to say that our organization as a whole has a history of hazing paints a false image. You are right, certain Pike chapters are causing a PR nightmare for the fraternity, but why keep harping on the negative?

It was simply a comment. Its the beauty of the internet. I can comment on what I understand to be true and you can comment w/ your rebuttal. And we can go back & forth all day if we want. Its a very simple concept.

[kddani]

Originally posted by HPU PIKE
I'm not irate, I just refuse to allow ill-informed comments to be made. For instance, one person alleged that PiKA has a national history of hazing. It's comments like those that I get defensive about because they're simply not true. Yes, chapters haze and have for a long time, but to say that our organization as a whole has a history of hazing paints a false image. You are right, certain Pike chapters are causing a PR nightmare for the fraternity, but why keep harping on the negative?

I totally understand where you're coming from. For the record, you're not really one of the irate ones. Generalizations and false statements aren't right. You've made some great points in places. However, not everyone replying to the threads involved has been.

[OtterXO]

Originally posted by crzychx
It was simply a comment. Its the beauty of the internet. I can comment on what I understand to be true and you can comment w/ your rebuttal. And we can go back & forth all day if we want. Its a very simple concept.

I really don't want to get involved with all this cr*p, but....yes it is the internet and you are obviously free to say what you please. That being said I would assume that as a member of the Greek community you would be interested in promoting Greek life, not contributing to the continuous negative stereotypes. By saying that a particular organization has a 'long history of hazing' is just 1) going to aggravate members of that organization (which is a valid response in my opinion); 2) make the discussion not about the particular incident but about the aggravation of the orgs members (and those who feel like fueling the fire) and 3) encourage the stereotypes that most of us are trying to overcome. Further, any random person can read this board and unless your opinion is on IM, e-mail, PM or something there are billions of people who can read your comment.
I think the response by the members of Pike is perfectly valid and they are just defending their org like any of us would do when such a overgeneralizing and irrelevant statement is made. Although I think we would all be better served if we all just think about what we say before we say it. Remember the Golden Rule? Yes, everything we need to know we learned in pre-school.

[Tom Earp]

I am not picking on anyone Fraternity or Soroity when something is done wrong. For the point, I am saddened by it. I really do not feel anyone else is either.

It makes all Greeks look bad whether it be LXA, PKA, TKE, SPE or anyothers.

Yes, We have all had problems with our Chapters.

I get more upset when I find one of my own doing things that should be known better and not done!

The points of certain Greek Organizations are not "JUST" brought up on G C to make people upset, they are taken from other World Wide Web Sites, so our little world of G C is open to the rest of the world and people who live on it.

It is Great to stand by each of your Organizations, but if they do something that is not to standards, please admit it and dont just claim Oh, We are being picked on.!

[HPU PIKE]

Originally posted by OtterXO
I really don't want to get involved with all this cr*p, but....yes it is the internet and you are obviously free to say what you please. That being said I would assume that as a member of the Greek community you would be interested in promoting Greek life, not contributing to the continuous negative stereotypes. By saying that a particular organization has a 'long history of hazing' is just 1) going to aggravate members of that organization (which is a valid response in my opinion); 2) make the discussion not about the particular incident but about the aggravation of the orgs members (and those who feel like fueling the fire) and 3) encourage the stereotypes that most of us are trying to overcome. Further, any random person can read this board and unless your opinion is on IM, e-mail, PM or something there are billions of people who can read your comment.
I think the response by the members of Pike is perfectly valid and they are just defending their org like any of us would do when such a overgeneralizing and irrelevant statement is made. Although I think we would all be better served if we all just think about what we say before we say it. Remember the Golden Rule? Yes, everything we need to know we learned in pre-school.

ditto.

[_Lisa_]

Originally posted by OtterXO
I really don't want to get involved with all this cr*p, but....yes it is the internet and you are obviously free to say what you please. That being said I would assume that as a member of the Greek community you would be interested in promoting Greek life, not contributing to the continuous negative stereotypes. By saying that a particular organization has a 'long history of hazing' is just 1) going to aggravate members of that organization (which is a valid response in my opinion); 2) make the discussion not about the particular incident but about the aggravation of the orgs members (and those who feel like fueling the fire) and 3) encourage the stereotypes that most of us are trying to overcome. Further, any random person can read this board and unless your opinion is on IM, e-mail, PM or something there are billions of people who can read your comment.
I think the response by the members of Pike is perfectly valid and they are just defending their org like any of us would do when such a overgeneralizing and irrelevant statement is made. Although I think we would all be better served if we all just think about what we say before we say it. Remember the Golden Rule? Yes, everything we need to know we learned in pre-school.

Hey now-this whole forum (Risk Management) is constantly posting about negative things involving Greek Life. As part of Greek Life I also want to know if there is any truth in what I hear, so I said something about what I've heard. The members of the organization can complain & rant all they want, but you'd think they would want to disprove any rumors that someone might've heard. How am I to ever promote a fraternity I've heard bad things about if someone doesn't clarify the rumors?

You shouldn't promote ignorance, that is just as bad you know!