sister who wants to deactivate to join another sorority

[33girl]

Russell, unless you're POSITIVE this woman was initiated, you have no proof that this happened...we are around the same age and trust me no one would put up with this crap when I was in school. It's possible the woman never initiated because of grades and of course when she came back to school, her window of opportunity was expired (which is most likely what caused the falling out).

[gphiangel624]

Originally posted by texas*princess
how is something like that prevented from happening?

when a pnm is seeking membership in a sorority, is there a way for the sorority to check with NPC to see if she is or was a member of another NPC sorority (whether at another campus or the same one)?

I'm not totally positive, but I believe there IS a way to check this. On recruitment applications, there is usually a question that goes something like "Have you ever been a new member or initiated member of any sorority?" or "Have you ever accepted a bid to any sorority?" Tbe PNM is supposed to disclose school and chapter information here. Some people won't disclose that information, but I'm sure that if there was any reason to doubt what a PNM has written, the college Panhellenic could definitely find out. I mean, there are 26 national offices and that really isn't too many phone calls to make when it has to do with something that's pretty important to the NPC.

I'm sure someone else has a better answer, but that's how I understand it.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by 33girl
Russell, unless you're POSITIVE this woman was initiated, you have no proof that this happened...we are around the same age and trust me no one would put up with this crap when I was in school. It's possible the woman never initiated because of grades and of course when she came back to school, her window of opportunity was expired (which is most likely what caused the falling out).

I am 100% positive that she was initiated in both, and I've seen her composites. It happened on the same campus. She pledged the first in Fall '84, and I believe that she was initiated early in Spring '85. She joined the second one in Fall '86, and was initiated in Spring '87.

I knew her because she was dating one of my brothers. She told me how she had to turn in her badge from the first one, along with her letters. She kept her pictures.

[pirepresent]

I would love to see the NPC groups come up with a consolidated database of ALL their membership, complete with social security numbers, DOBs, names of parents etc. Because there is NO fail-proof way of preventing that from happening, unless someone actually sees a sister they knew to be in one house being a sister in another house. Otherwise, there's just no way to check EVERY SINGLE GIRL. Most NPC groups get between 1,000 and 5,000 new members every year. It's not like Phi Sig can just call up Zeta Tau Alpha and start reading names off, and have Zeta Tau Alpha go through ALL their membership records. And then when we're done checking with Zeta Tau Alpha, that we can call up Delta Delta Delta, and Kappa Delta, and Kappa Kappa Gamma, and Alpha Sigma Alpha, and Alpha Chi Omega, and so on and so forth.

It's just not feasible. And I would guess 99% of initiated members in NPC groups KNOW they can't join another, so they know rushing again is wrong - of COURSE they're not going to disclose that they were in another group. And if you're talking to a girl during rush and she says, oh, I transferred from XXX school, you're not going to be thinking, was she in a house there? At least, I wouldn't, because you dont like to think that people would lie. But some people definetly have no problem with that.

I myself have seen it happen - a friend of a friend went through rush at her school, and joined an amazing house. Loved it, but transferred to Syracuse because she wanted to be in the communications program there. No animosity with her old house - they just didnt have a chapter at SU. So she rushed again as a sophomore and joined a completely different house, never deactivated her membership in her old one. Still gets both newsletters.

[aopinthesky]

[i] She told me how she had to turn in her badge from the first one, along with her letters. She kept her pictures. [/B]

I do not doubt that this happens - how frequently is anyone's guess. That doesn't mean that she did it with the blessing of either group.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by aopinthesky
I do not doubt that this happens - how frequently is anyone's guess. That doesn't mean that she did it with the blessing of either group.

The first group was not happy, and except for a few of her pledge sisters, they would not give her the time of day after this happened. The second group was aware of her former membership in the other.

This is the only such incident of which I am aware.

[GeekyPenguin]

People do this. I could probably get away with it on this campus except that the GA is my chapter sister. I know of a few ladies who are part of two NPCs. I still maintain that I don't have an objective to you joining one if you transfer and yours isn't there. I don't like the idea of just joining willy-nilly at the same school, though.

[honeychile]

I would think that the second house would have known better! Shame on them!

[dzjessdz]

I don't know anything about membership in two npc organizations at once, but just because she's in the composite might not mean she's initiated, my chapter and thus, my new member class had our composite pictures taken b4 initiation, and any one of us could have deactivated and still been in the picture.

On the other hand, she did tell you and you knew her, and it's possible, so . . .

[WCUgirl]

I agree with GeekyPenguin.

One of the chapters on my campus had a girl who had transferred in from another school where she had been in an NPC sorority there. She came to my school and we didn't have that sorority, so she went through rush and joined XYZ on our campus. They all knew she was a member of ABC at the other school, but none of them cared. I guess they just didn't tell their nationals. I don't know.

I would be much more understanding of it happening b/w schools, but would not be tolerant of a girl who switched groups on the same campus, no (after she had been initiated). The only problem is what happens if that group colonizes on that campus one day while she's still there? Which group would she feel the most loyalty to?

I think it would be kind of neat to be initiated into 2 NPC groups...I wonder how many similarities there really are in the meanings of the letters and the rituals, you know?

[WCUgirl]

Originally posted by dzjessdz I don't know anything about membership in two npc organizations at once, but just because she's in the composite might not mean she's initiated, my chapter and thus, my new member class had our composite pictures taken b4 initiation, and any one of us could have deactivated and still been in the picture.

This happened to us twice - once when my grand little sis depledged 4 days before initiation and once the following composite year when a pledge had a family emergency and had to drop out of school entirely. That's the risk you take when you have your composite made before initiation I guess.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by AXiD670

Which group would she feel the most loyalty to?

I would ask that question whether or not the other group colonized on campus.

Which group is she going to be loyal to as an alumna? I'm guessing not the first one. Or maybe not either one since loyalty doesn't seem to mean much to her.

In my opinion, in the cases sited in this thread, those groups and women should have been turned in, since they were obviously aware of the situation. Or they need a seriously better educational program. I don't think there's any reason for someone to be a member of two NPC's.

But yes, there's really no way to check. You would think honesty would prevail...........

[honeychile]

There's really no way to control this from campus to campus, but there is really NO excuse for this to happen on the same campus! Where were the sisters of GLO #1? Why weren't they screaming their heads off? And GLO #2? Why would they trust someone who had so little regard for their previous pledge?

Then, where was the Greek Advisor? Do the words "Bid Card" mean anything on this campus? And the Panhellenic Council?

There are just too many people who dropped the ball on this one!

[astroAPhi]

I know Alpha Phi has all of that information on me. They know my SSN, DOB, name and all that great stuff. I would assume that they report all that information to NPC and they have a database of all initiated women (or even new members). If NPC doesn't have that info or a database, that's crazy.

[33girl]

Originally posted by dzjessdz
I don't know anything about membership in two npc organizations at once, but just because she's in the composite might not mean she's initiated, my chapter and thus, my new member class had our composite pictures taken b4 initiation, and any one of us could have deactivated and still been in the picture.

I was going to say the same thing...we have girls on one of the composites who (in plain view) are wearing their pledge ribbons.

IF this girl was really initiated, the second group is just plain slimy for taking her. I guess they were more concerned about numbers than having decent people in their sorority.