Girls Gone Wild...Who's to blame?

[Lady Pi Phi]

I agree that these girls are stupid, and I agree they pretty much got what they deserve, alcohol is not an excuse for stupid behaviour.

Originally posted by Jadey28
...the women featured in porn and Playboy are making lots of money for what they are doing.

On a side note, I was watching Larry King Live and he was interviewing former porn star Traci Lords, and Larry asked her about money. She told him that in three years all she made was about $40,000. She was also saying that a lot of girls get into porn because they think that they'll be making lots of easy money. These girls don't really make anything at all.

IMO, the only thing that's easy are these girls.

[crystalline]

I have really no sympathy for these girls. They know what they are getting into. Sure, some of them probably get drunker than they wanted and go farther than they planned, but that's their problem. It's called common sense. Use it.

[SparkliiQTMTSU]

I have seen a few shows on the Girls Gone Wild thing and I know that the girls are not victims. most of the new videos are done at parties that GGW throws and the girls go knowing what theyre getting themselves into. I have been to a GGW party before also. I was pretty plastered but still didnt flash the camera. Yes these guys will buy you drinks and ask you to flash but you just say no and you can very nicely ask them to not ask again or go away and more times than not they do. There are plenty of girls that love to do stuff like this and are all gungho about having themselves on television nude or not. The guys are not paying them money at least Ive never seen them offer any to anyone and Ive been in the same place as those guys like three or four times while on vacation. The parties are awesome and all that but no girl is made to flash the camera she does it on her own free will. personally I think the guy is a marketing genius, he knew girls would get crazy to be on tv and he just came up with the idea and now hes like a billionaire...most people are just mad cause they never came up with the idea.


Nichole

[GeoffZ]

I wouldn't call Joe Francis a "marketing genius". It doesn't take much to realize that girls flashing their boobs + horny guys = $$$. And it's not like other business men are looking at him and saying, "wow, I wish that was me". The guy may have tons of money, but his reputation is trash cause that's what he sells. But I don't think he's to blame in this situation. The girls know what the deal is. They see that they're being exploited. I just think Joe is a tool for making a living off of exploiting them.

[docetboy]

Who cares who's to blame? It's here, now we have to deal with it.

[docetboy]

Originally posted by Dionysus
They should know better...depending on how drunk they already are. I've been drilled in my head to never take drinks from any guy, so has many girls I know. Even from a bartender, one would watch him make it.

Still no excuse.

OR - you could just get drunk off of beer or get drunk BEFORE going out for the night....

[SSS1365]

I've actually seen one of the videos and I was apalled at what some of those girls were doing! Sure I've been drunk before, but NEVER so drunk that I would do anything even remotely close to what some of those girls are doing! So while I can see the side that "Oh they're drunk, they're victims because they don't realize what they're doing"... I think that's crap. Even in my drunkest state I've been able to say no when people tried to get me to do something I wouldn't ordinarily do.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by shultzz
How much did she expect to make?

40k is good money for a 16 year.

I think a lot of girls are lured into the sex industry because they think they are going to make tons of money. Not everyone can be a Heidi Fleiss, but many think they will be.

[James]

It doesn't take a genius to realize it. But it does take an entrepeneur to do it. He made a 100 million dollars from shitty movies. He's a marketing genius.

Most of my friends that are business majors, male or female, would do this business in a second for 100 million dollars.

Originally posted by GeoffZ
I wouldn't call Joe Francis a "marketing genius". It doesn't take much to realize that girls flashing their boobs + horny guys = $$$. And it's not like other business men are looking at him and saying, "wow, I wish that was me". The guy may have tons of money, but his reputation is trash cause that's what he sells. But I don't think he's to blame in this situation. The girls know what the deal is. They see that they're being exploited. I just think Joe is a tool for making a living off of exploiting them.

[James]

Also, some of you kids aren't thinking: As someone said above most of the parties now are known in advance as GGW.

Also, most of the really risque scenes are by professionals that are put into the parties or movies as ringers.

[PM_Mama00]

If you drink to the point of not knowing what you're doing, others aren't making you a victim.... you're making yourself a victim.

[KillarneyRose]

All I've ever seen of a GGW video is what they show on the commercials. I've never actually watched one. How explicit are they? Is it just girls flashing, or is it hardcore porn or what?

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
All I've ever seen of a GGW video is what they show on the commercials. I've never actually watched one. How explicit are they? Is it just girls flashing, or is it hardcore porn or what?

Most of it's just clips of girls flashing. Once in a while you'll get girls kissing each other and groping each other. I've never seen actual "penetration" or full nudity. If that were the case then I doubt they'd be able to market that on TV.

[sugar and spice]

On one hand, I think that these girls who get drunk and flash the cameras need to learn how to deal with the consequences of their actions. Like everybody else here, I've been pretty drunk quite a few times and never flashed a cameraman. (I have in fact been very drunk in the precense of the GGW cameraman and managed to restrain myself. )

But the fact that, from some accounts, these girls are basically plied with alcohol and then taken advantage of sexually. That's different from date rape in degree, but the theme is the same.

I think it depends on the individual situation: if a girl is out getting sloshed with her girls, they run into the GGW cameras and she decides to flash, I give her absolutely no pity. But for the girl that is out getting sloshed with her girls when the GGW cameras stop by, and they try to get her to flash them but she refuses -- but then they keep pushing free drinks on her to the point where she gets so drunk that she stops refusing . . . to me that crosses into sketchy territory. Yes, it was her choice to take those drinks, but the coercers share at least some of the blame.

I don't know if any of you have ever seen a GGW video, but they are completely unsexy simply because most of the girls look like they'd rather be doing anything else than what they're doing. They look like they were coerced into it. And if that turns out to be the case, that seems pretty scary.

[absolutuscchick]

I'm going to echo what about every other girl on here has said but anywho...

Ok, so I have been drunk more times than I can at all remember. But, even when my inhibitions are lowered, I would never, ever lift up my shirt and flash a bunch of guys at all, let alone a camera! I mean I think this totally relates to how some girls can get super duper drunk at parties, and then end up sleeping with some random guy that they have never even met before. Then, the next morning they regret it and blame it on being drunk. I mean, I know how to drink, but I've never slept with some random guy because I was too drunk not to. Obviously the alcohol is a factor, but come on, if you know alcohol is going to make you completely lose any respect for your own body and you keep drinking, and keep accepting drinks, isn't it mostly your own fault?? I probably sound like a major bitch here, but oh well..