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03-24-2003, 11:46 PM
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waking them up in the middle of the night, making them clean the fraternity house, making them do pushups...take your pick
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Sorry, I don't think i'm being clear on my question. I've seen those things, and I've read the rule, but I don't have a match-up yet.
Which activity or "hazing" is being done and to which part of the rule does it specifically violate?
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03-25-2003, 01:36 PM
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Waking them up in the middle of the night = creation of excessive fatigue.
Now, you're probably not going to agree with that. That's cool.
The whole making them clean the house thing isn't specifically addressed in the policy, but it's still bullshit. "Clean my house and my mess"? Screw that. It's the brother's house, the brothers should clean it up. How does being someone else's maid contribute to understanding of their ritual, history or values?
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03-26-2003, 12:57 AM
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Waking them up in the middle of the night = creation of excessive fatigue.
Now, you're probably not going to agree with that. That's cool.
The whole making them clean the house thing isn't specifically addressed in the policy, but it's still bullshit. "Clean my house and my mess"? Screw that. It's the brother's house, the brothers should clean it up. How does being someone else's maid contribute to understanding of their ritual, history or values?
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I can agree that is one interpretation of excessive fatigue. But i'd be more towards saying that something that causes excessive fatigue is like overworking a person or something along those lines. Constant waking up and sleep deprivation is more "excessive" in my book.
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03-26-2003, 07:58 AM
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i'd be more towards saying that something that causes excessive fatigue is like overworking a person or something along those lines.
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well then, by your definition wouldn't forcing them to do pushups and cleaning for hours upon hours "cause excessive fatigue" ?
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03-26-2003, 11:46 AM
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i wish i could talk to our girls there
i want to know what's the big deal with these groups
all they are doing is trying to get more people to join
which is going to be a big NOT!!!
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03-26-2003, 01:23 PM
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I think they got what they deserved. You have to be stupid to have your lives (and your pledge process) put in front of the spotlight. They hazed, thus they should get punished
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03-27-2003, 02:04 AM
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well then, by your definition wouldn't forcing them to do pushups and cleaning for hours upon hours "cause excessive fatigue" ?
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I guess it would depend on the excessiveness. We can play this game, but everyone has a different threshold for that. Making someone clean and do pushups for no reason is just stupid, but if it has a purpose then it becomes useful. Doing pushups everyday at the same time for 10 minutes could be classified as excessive, it's a matter of how you look at it.
Causing excessive fatigue, I don't know, hours upon hours with no break, with a toothbrush, standing on 1 foot, reciting the greek alphabet backwards.... maybe? I think you gotta look at each situation individually and make a call on it.
As long as there is no harm coming to these guys, then what's the problem?
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03-27-2003, 02:22 PM
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Sigma Chi Omega Pledges Facing Charges for Prank
Buffalo News
March 27, 2003
BUFFALO ZOO
Fraternity prank may lead to charges
By TOM BUCKHAM
News Staff Reporter
The Buffalo Zoo will prosecute three University at Buffalo students
who apparently climbed into the facility after hours last fall in a
prank videotaped for "Fraternity Life," an MTV reality series.
Zoo President Donna M. Fernandes said Wednesday she will ask the Erie
County district attorney's office today to pursue charges against Tim
Kukulka, Earl Altheide and Steve Paul.
In an episode of "Fraternity Life" scheduled for broadcast Wednesday
night, the Sigma Chi Omega pledges were shown scaling a wall near a
zoo entrance and walking around between the hyena and roan antelope
exhibit near the center of the zoo, said Fernandes, who viewed a copy
of the tape after UB alerted the zoo to the incident.
The students talked briefly about stealing an animal as a mascot for
the fraternity house before one of them said, "This is dumb," and the
three climbed back over the wall, "got in Land Rovers supplied by the
MTV producers and drove off," Fernandes said.
It's uncertain whether the camera crew got into the zoo with the
students, although the activity in the segment apparently was shot
from outside, she said.
Entering a zoo after hours "is not only a danger to the animals, but
sometimes people get injured or killed," Fernandes said.
In 1985, police were forced to shoot two Buffalo Zoo polar bears to
death after an intruder climbed into their enclosure one night and
was mauled.
And in 1989, a Buffalo Zoo zebu - a pygmy Brahma bull - was put to
death after being severely beaten at night by an unknown assailant.
The decision to prosecute the UB students "was not made lightly,"
Fernandes said. "We are the stewards of this animal collection for
the entire community. We will take any and all steps necessary to
ensure the safety of our animals."
MTV has not responded to the zoo's complaints about the incident, she said.
The zoo will consider bolstering its nighttime security, which
includes officers, maintenance workers and strategically placed
cameras, Fernandes added.
Kukulka, Altheide and Paul were subpoenaed March 18 to appear before
the Student-Wide Judiciary, according to the Spectrum, UB's student
newspaper.
Altheide told the paper that the incident had nothing to do with
pledging and that the three brothers sneaked out of the house in the
hopes of stealing a chicken from the zoo to keep as a pet.
The three left after realizing they could not get into any of the
cages, Paul told the Spectrum.
"It's not like we were harming the animals or anything," he said. "We
were just, like, patrolling the zoo."
Sigma Chi Omega already is in trouble with UB over earlier scenes
from the MTV series. The chapter was suspended earlier this month
after university officials decided some activities caught on film
might be hazing.
Copyright 2003 The Buffalo News.
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03-27-2003, 08:50 PM
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Re: Sigma Chi Omega Pledges Facing Charges for Prank
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Originally posted by BSUPhiSig'92
Buffalo News
March 27, 2003
BUFFALO ZOO
Fraternity prank may lead to charges
By TOM BUCKHAM
News Staff Reporter
The Buffalo Zoo will prosecute three University at Buffalo students
who apparently climbed into the facility after hours last fall in a
prank videotaped for "Fraternity Life," an MTV reality series.
Zoo President Donna M. Fernandes said Wednesday she will ask the Erie
County district attorney's office today to pursue charges against Tim
Kukulka, Earl Altheide and Steve Paul.
In an episode of "Fraternity Life" scheduled for broadcast Wednesday
night, the Sigma Chi Omega pledges were shown scaling a wall near a
zoo entrance and walking around between the hyena and roan antelope
exhibit near the center of the zoo, said Fernandes, who viewed a copy
of the tape after UB alerted the zoo to the incident.
The students talked briefly about stealing an animal as a mascot for
the fraternity house before one of them said, "This is dumb," and the
three climbed back over the wall, "got in Land Rovers supplied by the
MTV producers and drove off," Fernandes said.
It's uncertain whether the camera crew got into the zoo with the
students, although the activity in the segment apparently was shot
from outside, she said.
Entering a zoo after hours "is not only a danger to the animals, but
sometimes people get injured or killed," Fernandes said.
In 1985, police were forced to shoot two Buffalo Zoo polar bears to
death after an intruder climbed into their enclosure one night and
was mauled.
And in 1989, a Buffalo Zoo zebu - a pygmy Brahma bull - was put to
death after being severely beaten at night by an unknown assailant.
The decision to prosecute the UB students "was not made lightly,"
Fernandes said. "We are the stewards of this animal collection for
the entire community. We will take any and all steps necessary to
ensure the safety of our animals."
MTV has not responded to the zoo's complaints about the incident, she said.
The zoo will consider bolstering its nighttime security, which
includes officers, maintenance workers and strategically placed
cameras, Fernandes added.
Kukulka, Altheide and Paul were subpoenaed March 18 to appear before
the Student-Wide Judiciary, according to the Spectrum, UB's student
newspaper.
Altheide told the paper that the incident had nothing to do with
pledging and that the three brothers sneaked out of the house in the
hopes of stealing a chicken from the zoo to keep as a pet.
The three left after realizing they could not get into any of the
cages, Paul told the Spectrum.
"It's not like we were harming the animals or anything," he said. "We
were just, like, patrolling the zoo."
Sigma Chi Omega already is in trouble with UB over earlier scenes
from the MTV series. The chapter was suspended earlier this month
after university officials decided some activities caught on film
might be hazing.
Copyright 2003 The Buffalo News.
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I saw the show last night. It was stupid to think you can steal a animal and use it for a mascot. now I seen everything
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03-27-2003, 09:18 PM
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This may be off the topic, somewhat, but are the DZO sisters in the same trouble as their male counterparts? The girls look like they are being hazed as well, or am I the only 1 who thinks that? I was just wondering if any of you UB people out there knows of any trouble the girls may be in.
Thanks!
Sending warm thoughts from sunny South FL,
C
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03-27-2003, 10:22 PM
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I watched DZO for about 10 minutes and all I could think of was the potential hazing infractions and what would have happened if they were a NPC sorority. There may have been better segments in the episode but that was enough to turn me off!
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03-27-2003, 10:32 PM
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i haven't heard anything as of yet about DZO getting in trouble. i don't think they did, but they should.
as soon as i saw that part of the show last night when they climbed over the fence, i had a feeling they were going to get in trouble. they basically just committed breaking and entering on camera, giving evidence of their idiocracy.
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03-27-2003, 10:44 PM
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 I don't think DZO is in any trouble unless SXO presses charges, which I doubt is happening. Come on, this is a PRANK, not grand theft auto. One of the fraternities stole our clock once and we certainly didn't press charges for a $10 kitchen clock, it was a joke.
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03-28-2003, 12:00 AM
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i ment i thought they should get in trouble for hazing, not stealing. the boys had that coming. but the hazing on both sides is uncalled for. if one gets in trouble, they both should.
shelley j
sigma k
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