Four ASU GLOs & campus VP star in porno

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by James

Ladies don't bring Fraternity standards into this.

Don't try to say "well women's groups punish for this, male groups should also" There is no double standard here.

There is no double standard because men don't have an unwritten rule about this. We may never have had one.

If you want to ostrasize/suspend/expell your Sisters-For-Life for being human and liberated, thats all on you. But you have no call asking us to be hypocrites, judgemental, or limit someone else's Right to Free Expression. LOL

Liking sex and have more partners than the exec board . . . get expelled.

Like to party and get wild more than the exec board or the standards committee. . . get expelled.

Make money showing your body in Playboy . . . get expelled. LOL

Make money showing your or part naked body in a movie, PG R X whatever . . . get expelled.

Although I fully realize that this will differ from chapter to chapter. Where one chapter would climb on a a high horse and expell you, another more sophisticated chapter would just laugh it off.



(Edited to add smileys)

It's not about fraternities' individual rules so much as the way society sees a double standard. The reason given in most sororities for taking the badge of a woman if it's related to behavior is that she might damage the chapter's reputation and hurt their rush. And this can be very true, depending on the campus. I think it's unfortunate, and I don't entirely agree with it, BUT that's currently what has to be done if sororities are to exist as they are today, I think. It's a double standard in society. Definitely an issue not limited to Greeks. If a girl's chapter had a porno made at their house I am very willing to bet that they would have their charter pulled in an instant. At the least the punishment would be more stringent than a year's probation. Reason? It could hurt the sorority. And that's a legitimate reason. It certainly could. I personally also think it's about respect. I personally know that not all sisters have the same values, but one sister's actions reflect on the whole, so that should be taken into consideration.

Here, though, I think it's still about society. Would I ever appear in a porno? No way. But do I think that in principle someone should be punished for something that isn't illegal, just considered very distasteful by those in charge? No. But that's life. The actions of one reflect badly on the whole, so action needs to be taken to reassure the public that the organization (and school) don't actually support the decision to appear in the porno. Again, society.

[rufio]

sigma nu has been back on campus for sometime now. but this happened so long ago, no one at ASU's greek community ever talks about it. although it did do irreparable greek life here.

[sundevil2000]

Sigma Phi Epsilon is now the third fraternity at ASU to get suspended from campus in less than 6 months. It sucks that these were the largest most popular chapters on campus and now there gone

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
This isn't an offense that can lead to the guys' losing their pins? If it's not, does this mean that there's a double-standard that says a sorority woman risks her membership by posing in Playboy, but a fraternity man has nothing to lose by being in a porno?

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just wondering...

No kidding i was thinking the same thing..

[texas*princess]

Ladies don't bring Fraternity standards into this.

I don't know about all fraternities out there, but I would have thought that most fraternities claimed to be "gentlemen" and by even looking at some of the inter/national websites of fraternities, it is clear that being "gentleman-ly" is one of the things some chapters pride themselves in. If it's in your fraternity's standards to act so outlandishly and not be held responsible for your actions I might start to wonder what that fraternity is all about. I'm not insulting any organization in any way, and I can understand some people to want to be "human" or "liberated" however, I am sure you might understand that your actions speak tremendously loud and might also have a negative impact on your organization - whether it be your chapter, or the entire inter/national organization.

If that's the way you want to represent your fraternity and your fraternity's "ideals", more power to you, but I would personally have more respect for the organization than to do something like that knowing that the organization would have to suffer for the acts of a few.

[Shine]

Originally posted by sundevil2000
Sigma Phi Epsilon is now the third fraternity at ASU to get suspended from campus in less than 6 months. It sucks that these were the largest most popular chapters on campus and now there gone

Add the Phi-Sigs to that list now, too.

[James]

Originally posted by texas*princess


I don't know about all fraternities out there, but I would have thought that most fraternities claimed to be "gentlemen" and by even looking at some of the inter/national websites of fraternities, it is clear that being "gentleman-ly" is one of the things some chapters pride themselves in. If it's in your fraternity's standards to act so outlandishly and not be held responsible for your actions I might start to wonder what that fraternity is all about. I'm not insulting any organization in any way, and I can understand some people to want to be "human" or "liberated" however, I am sure you might understand that your actions speak tremendously loud and might also have a negative impact on your organization - whether it be your chapter, or the entire inter/national organization.

If that's the way you want to represent your fraternity and your fraternity's "ideals", more power to you, but I would personally have more respect for the organization than to do something like that knowing that the organization would have to suffer for the acts of a few.

[Shine]

Originally posted by sundevil2000
It's Phi Sig, Sigma Nu, and Sig Ep that are gone!

That makes me

I went to my first frat party at Phi Sig, and had a few good friends in Sigma Nu.

Are you guys still on-campus? I've heard otherwise. I thought your sisterhood was filled with amazing women, and I was sad to hear that you guys closed.

Too many good greek orgs gone from ASU.

[banditone]

Originally Posted by Shine

That makes me

I went to my first frat party at Phi Sig, and had a few good friends in Sigma Nu.

Are you guys still on-campus? I've heard otherwise. I thought your sisterhood was filled with amazing women, and I was sad to hear that you guys closed.

Too many good greek orgs gone from ASU.

Old old thread, just had to say that Sigma Nu is back on campus at ASU.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

And this is the first thing you want to be associated with?

[KyleMcGuire1983]

Yeah man this is a REALLY embarassing part of our history at ASU.

I can't believe Brian Buck said something like that......had I been busted I would have pulled a huge mea culpa. This is disgraceful. Our letters on a porn site? Wow...that is bad and makes us look like a bunch of degenerates.

You would think something like that would warrant a White Star Expulsion...but apparently this guy is still a badge holding brother (I just checked our directory).

[banditone]

It was a LONG time ago. Everyone associated is gone. I don't condone the behavior, and am disappointed that nationals didn't expel Buck.

[Colleenie]

Shine ~

sundevil2000 is an ADPi and they are still on campus at ASU. You are probably thinking of Sigma Kappa.

[Shine]

Originally posted by Colleenie
Shine ~

sundevil2000 is an ADPi and they are still on campus at ASU. You are probably thinking of Sigma Kappa.

Durr...

I dunno why, but I keep mixing her up with sigkapsundevil.

I did get the sorority right, though. Still sad they had to go.

I'm praying all the others have a strong Recruitment this week.

[sundevil2000]

Just to update you all, the front of our state press announced today that Theta Chi is the fourth fraternity asked to leave campus. They are going to try to appeal it so were hoping for the best. Our Greek Community is falling apart already with the loss of 3 other fraternities that were huge, we REALLY dont need to lose anymore.