Formal Recruitment Suicide???

[33girl]

Panda said:
All prospectives must go to all parties the first night, and the second night (because the sororities can only cut them if they don't have grades) so all you hear all night is "Where are you from? What's your major? Do you like the dorm you're in?"

Barbara - I thought NPC's policy was that if you KNEW you weren't going to bid a girl you were supposed to release her as soon as possible? So as not to get her hopes up.

I agree, Panda - formal rush can suck out loud! But I don't know of a better way to do it. I think the guys should have to visit all the fraternities too, FWIW.

[SilverTurtle]

There was a similar topic like this. Since we had no NPC sororities on my campus, we didn't have NPC Formal Rush, and I'm was clueless as ZetaAce, and still not far from it
I asked then, too, what was different w/ the fraternities (because it seems a lot less complicated), but didn't get much response.

I'd still like to know, because I think the 2 methods of rushing should at least be similar.

My 2 cents

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[SoCalGirl]

Sometimes I wonder if the PX's are really doing their jobs. I've lost count of how many girls during formal rush ask me questions about suicides etc.
I generally tell the girls that if they know that they would depledge immediately, or that they'd be completely miserable in a particular house, then to not list them.
I don't say "Yeah suicide it's great and you'll get exactly what you want." I'm honest and tell them that a sorority could want you too and still not get a bid.
Part of the reason for that is because girls put down BBB as #2 then freak out and "depledge" on bid day. That always pisses me off because then nobody wins. The sorortiy loses both the girl that wanted them and the girl who got counted io their quota. And both rushees end up unhappy.
Of course I do believe that girls CAN be happy at their #2 or #3 choice. But if they never give the houses a chance it just sucks.

[PandaBear]

Originally posted by 33girl:
Barbara - I thought NPC's policy was that if you KNEW you weren't going to bid a girl you were supposed to release her as soon as possible? So as not to get her hopes up.

33Girl - This is the way it is on our campus - so it may not be the same for other campus groups. All I know is that we have had several girls that we knew we didn't want (nor any other group) because of her previous actions - I'm not saying "we just don't like her..." I mean like more than one sister has spoken privately to our rush board about reasons she doesn't meet our standards. Yet we STILL have to invite her back the second night as long as she has grades. We don't have to invite her back to our 3rd night (for us after the 2nd night we can cut, and the girl must cut one out of our 5 GLO's). Usually the girl will get invited back until the 3rd party, but then cut after the party before she is invited to attend preference. We do this to "keep things fair" for the girl and to keep rush a positive thing (supposedly). It makes me mad because a girl actually told me she just wanted to party and that they called her "Tequilla Sheila" at all the frat houses! Yet she came to all 3 parties and was cut before pref! Stupid, huh? Anyway, I don't know how any other campus does it, but this is how we do it.

[ZetaAce]

My goodness! Why in the world would she tell you that they called her"Tequilla Sheila"!! That's just craziness!

ZetaAce

[PandaBear]

Originally posted by ZetaAce:
My goodness! Why in the world would she tell you that they called her"Tequilla Sheila"!! That's just craziness!

ZetaAce

That's why she was first on our bid list...YEAH RIGHT!!! It was really (REALLY) funny though because several of our sisters had asked their frat boyfriends about her (but used her real name) and NO ONE knew who she was until one of the sisters described her and a guy said "OH!!! YOU MUST MEAN TEQUILLA SHEILA!!!" THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HER REAL NAME AFTER A YEAR!!!! I guess its more sad than funny. But prospectives that wait a year before rushing should know that this kind of reputation (especially when you tell it yourself!) doesn't get you a bid! The third night she got cut by every soro because she told everyone this!

ZetaAce - have you seen the pictures yet??? LOL!

[ZetaAce]

PandaBear> I saw the pictures! LOL!! Good idea!

ZetaAce

[blu_theatrics]

I thought that my NPHC pledge process was complicated, but after reading this board I am completely confused, but that is just probably because I am acustom to one way of thinking. Thank you everyone who posted on here for teaching me something new.

I just have to agree with ZetaAce that I would probably go crazy not to be able to talk to my sorors, and plus I can wear any of my clothes....lol.

But what works for some doesn't work for others and i know that the NPHC seems confusing to alot of people in GLO's

So once again thanks for teaching me something new.

[Finer Woman10-A-91]

A HUGE EDUCATION FOR ME TOO!!! Everyone in NPC and IFC thanks for sharing!

Originally posted by ZetaAce:
I have learned a lot on this board, that's for sure!

The whole NPC rush process seems a little bit harsh to me, but that's probably cause I don't know much about it. I have heard people say the same thing about the NPHC procedures!

I'm guessing that you don't have a lot of volunteers to be PX's? I couldn't imagine being on campus and not being able to talk to my sorors! I'd probably go nuts Having 'neutral' rush advisors does seem like the smart way to do things though now that it has been explained. Thanks!!

ZetaAce

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[PenguinTrax]

Yes, if a chapter knows that they will not be placing a particular woman on any of their bid lists, that woman should not be invited back to the last night (Preference).

This is not a Panhellenic rule, however, and sometimes women do get cut from a list after Preference. What happens is that a woman may have enough votes from the chapter to get invited back, but on the last night there not enough of a majority for her to be placed on a bid list.

Barb

[This message has been edited by PnguinTrax (edited June 16, 2000).]

[GammaSigPrez]

Originally posted by PnguinTrax:
equeen -

I'm living proof of that and make no effort to hide the fact that ZTA was my 3rd choice. I know now that had I gotten my first or second choices I would have not been happy because I was choosing them because I wanted to be like them. ZTA was more like me already and welcomed me as warmly as if I had listed them as #1. I was on their #1 list - seems they knew what was best for me from the start!

An intential single preference ('suicide') is a risky tactic. Please check the thread "can you outsmart rush" for my thoughts on that matter.

I am not a member of an NPC sorority but one of our sisters used to be... anyway, she said that you had to match bids exactly to be taken because its done with a computer... so if you put ZTA as 3rd and they put you as 1st list, at my school you would not have gotten in...
this is an example:
RUSHEE 123's choices
1st ZTA
2nd TriSig
3rd ADPi

ZTA's 1st list:
did not include RUSHEE 123

Tri Sig's 1st list:
included RUSHEE 123

ADPi's 3rd list:
matched RUSHEE 123's 3rd choice so she would go to ADPi

does this work like that at all schools?
my sorority has a non-selective policy, this means that girls come to rush and if they like us, they join, if not, they dont... it puts the pressure on us and puts US under the microscope instead of the other way around...

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[AlphaChiGirl]

GammaSigPrez...the rush at your school sounds a lot like the one at mine. Where do you go, and how large is the Greek System?

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by GammaSigPrez:
I am not a member of an NPC sorority but one of our sisters used to be... anyway, she said that you had to match bids exactly to be taken because its done with a computer... so if you put ZTA as 3rd and they put you as 1st list, at my school you would not have gotten in...

Actually this is the way it works...we'll use this preference list for example:

#1 CCC
#2 ZZZ
#3 AAA

The sororities have the following lists:

#1 - all their #1 choices in alphabetical order
#2 - other names, listed in order of preference

A chapter must try and complete their #1 lists first. If a Rushee on their #1 list gets a bid elsewhere, then they move name(s) up from their #2 list (and therefore become part of the #1 list).


The person reading the pref cards, announces that Suzy has CCC as her #1 choice, does CCC have her on their list? CCC says 'no'. The card is put aside and they run through all other cards.

They read thru the cards again and ask if CCC has Suzy on their #1 list. They say 'no'. The run through the remaining cards and place #2 bids.

The bid matching continues...CCC fills quota before Suzy name moves up their list. ZZZ has Suzy, but her name has not moved up to their #1 list yet. The third round starts. During the third round, ZZZ attains quota.

(Note: a gridlock/block condition can occur when, after serveral readings of cards, the rushee's preference does not match up with the fraternity. There is a system that is used to determine if the rushee will ever be placed with her #1 choice. If it is determined that she won't, they attempt to match the rushee with her #2 selection, and so on if it becomes evident that their #2 preference will not occur, either)

Suzy has AAA as choice #3 and it turns out that AAA has Suzy on their original #1 list. That's how you end up with a #3 choice on a #1 list. There is a system whereby you attain quota plus, but it is somewhat complicated and unless you really want to know how it's done, I won't list it here.

In the event that none of the rushee's preferences have bid her, BUT there is a chapter (or more than one) that has her on their list, the Panhellenic rep will call the rushee and ask her if she will accept a bid from the chapter(s) in question. If not, she will not recieve a bid and be eligible for COB (informal recruitment).

Barb

I go to East Carolina University in Greenville, North Carolina. The greek system? Do you mean just the NPCH, Panhellenic, and IFC? My sorority is not affiliated with those and neither is another service sorority and a service fraternity. There is a also a women's music sorority (SAI) and Phi Sigma Pi (a honors fraternity) that are known at my school. Then you have like the Beta Beta Beta biology honors group.. I guess you are meaning the "traditional greeks" (NPCH, IFC, NPC).. so this is what we have...check out this link... I just put it together... http://gammasigmasigma.tripod.com/othergreeks.htm

Originally posted by AlphaChiGirl:
GammaSigPrez...the rush at your school sounds a lot like the one at mine. Where do you go, and how large is the Greek System?

OOOPSSS>. I posted the original message as GammaSigPrez but i am on another computer and forgot my password... sorry for any confusion