"Jewish" Houses

[deltajas]

OK
Rudey
A few things
First of all I don't know why you are twisting around or changing, or perhaps just comprehending what I say wrong. When did I EVER say anything bad about the Jewish religion? Where are you getting this stuff from? And I never said I was an expert, I just wanted to point out that even though I am Jewish I also do not feel it's ok for us to discriminate against non-jews. Is there a problem with that? Do you have a problem with that? Why would anyone??????
Further, my father would try and educate me on things concerning the Jewish history, and I appreciate the values and facts I have learned. That is why I don't know why a people whom were discriminated so harshly by others would EVER EVER condone any type of discrimination to others. Can someone not be your sister/brother if they do not as you put it foster the jewish faith/ideals. Well sure they can. I have a lot of jewish sisters, but I also have african american sisters, Chinese sisters, catholic, etc. Whom I all love dearly and would have never known had I just "stuck to my own kind" persay. I guess it's somewhat personal preference as well. I have an open heart and an open mind. And I'm not going to say I am sorry for that.
I just don't understand what about my posts you don't agree at all with? What because I am putting down any sort of discrimination. Not even in greek life but everwhere. I know the world is not perfect and never will be, but I can do my part.
I am just having a really hard time understanding what exactly you don't agree with. All I am saying is it's not right to discriminate. And yes there are cultural GLO's and that is a beautiful thing, but maybe secular houses should fall under that category so girls would know where they stand. I know fraternity rush is a lot different, but I'm sorry as a male YOU are the one who has NO idea how a formal rush runs. Yes a lot, even most girls here know eachother before hand, from camp, or out. But what about those girls that rushed just for that fact. They did not know anyone and wanted to make friends. Little do they know anything about the certain cuts the groups are looking for at all. Maybe they love a group of girls but will never get that chance bc of religion. How is that right?
Oh and by the way I am also from NY, and what are you talking about a campus away? I'm confused about what you imply I am saying.
Oh and by the way I babysit at Temple for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur so thank you very much. I don't claim to be an expert at anything, well this at least, so don't put words into my mouth. I was born into a religion as most people are. I am not sure where that path will take me religious wise, I still have yet to fully seek out that aspect in my life, but that is my business.
So take of this as you will, but the only thing I ever said is that I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, and have opted not to for myself. If you want to keep putting words in my mouth or get angry because I wanted my GLO to be excatly that, a GLO with no religious affiliation or claim, for us to have our own rituals in common despite our different races and beliefs, so take me to court

[bruinaphi]

Originally posted by aephi alum
I wish she had not specified the sorority that her JAP friends joined. Although this is probably not her intent, and she is just repeating what her friends said, just posting it perpetuates the stereotype that all AEPhi's are JAPs, and that's exactly the sort of stereotype that undermines the greek system.

AEPHI ALUM, I find it very interesting that you would say this b/c you didn't have any problem posting negative things about other chapters on your campus. Maybe in the future you will stop and think about the effects of your own words before you post, just like you as others to do.

[deltajas]

Oh an also,
About the "---" phrase, I was simply pointing it out because I was saying that Jewish girls themselves here(for the most part, or course not all) are the ones who call themselves "---" Never ever did I say anyone was or is, I was just stating how people call it themselves, and was also imitating actual events that have occured in my life, with my friends. Sorry if anyone's feeling got hurt. I personally also find it disturbing that people like to call themselves that and was just pointing that out. Thanks to all who pointed out what I was saying
Love and sisterhood.

[aephi alum]

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[Rudey]

Whenever I state the reason to our existence, you reply it's bad to have discrimination. That totally neglects every point I have made in my first post. So I guess I will respond in turn by saying chocolate cake is good. I want to actually understand you though so I will spend time asking you questions in private. Is that ok?

Lauradav and aephialum...please take a look at the topic of the thread. And remember sometimes it's easier to just send each other private messages.

-Rudey

Originally posted by deltajas
OK
Rudey
A few things
First of all I don't know why you are twisting around or changing, or perhaps just comprehending what I say wrong. When did I EVER say anything bad about the Jewish religion? Where are you getting this stuff from? And I never said I was an expert, I just wanted to point out that even though I am Jewish I also do not feel it's ok for us to discriminate against non-jews. Is there a problem with that? Do you have a problem with that? Why would anyone??????
Further, my father would try and educate me on things concerning the Jewish history, and I appreciate the values and facts I have learned. That is why I don't know why a people whom were discriminated so harshly by others would EVER EVER condone any type of discrimination to others. Can someone not be your sister/brother if they do not as you put it foster the jewish faith/ideals. Well sure they can. I have a lot of jewish sisters, but I also have african american sisters, Chinese sisters, catholic, etc. Whom I all love dearly and would have never known had I just "stuck to my own kind" persay. I guess it's somewhat personal preference as well. I have an open heart and an open mind. And I'm not going to say I am sorry for that.
I just don't understand what about my posts you don't agree at all with? What because I am putting down any sort of discrimination. Not even in greek life but everwhere. I know the world is not perfect and never will be, but I can do my part.
I am just having a really hard time understanding what exactly you don't agree with. All I am saying is it's not right to discriminate. And yes there are cultural GLO's and that is a beautiful thing, but maybe secular houses should fall under that category so girls would know where they stand. I know fraternity rush is a lot different, but I'm sorry as a male YOU are the one who has NO idea how a formal rush runs. Yes a lot, even most girls here know eachother before hand, from camp, or out. But what about those girls that rushed just for that fact. They did not know anyone and wanted to make friends. Little do they know anything about the certain cuts the groups are looking for at all. Maybe they love a group of girls but will never get that chance bc of religion. How is that right?
Oh and by the way I am also from NY, and what are you talking about a campus away? I'm confused about what you imply I am saying.
Oh and by the way I babysit at Temple for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur so thank you very much. I don't claim to be an expert at anything, well this at least, so don't put words into my mouth. I was born into a religion as most people are. I am not sure where that path will take me religious wise, I still have yet to fully seek out that aspect in my life, but that is my business.
So take of this as you will, but the only thing I ever said is that I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, and have opted not to for myself. If you want to keep putting words in my mouth or get angry because I wanted my GLO to be excatly that, a GLO with no religious affiliation or claim, for us to have our own rituals in common despite our different races and beliefs, so take me to court

[bruinaphi]

AEPHI ALUM,

I wasn't attacking you for standing by your sisters. Since you don't seem to remember your previous posting I will PM you a link to it.

Rudey, Sorry you don't appreciate my post. Sometimes threads get a little off topic and I think my post was an appropriate reminder that people should practice what they preach.

Laura

[RUgreek]

Hey Rudey,

Your views and ideals on what AEPi stands for as THE fraternity for Jews is humorous. You are instigating a stereotype and segreation of the greek community. So you're saying that since my fraternity was founded on christian values and ritual, that I should have been rejected and sent to the jewish house? I fail to see the purpose of your ramblings. You claim rituals by other chapters make you uncomfortable, yet I don't see how you could know any of that without being apart of those houses.

Every group, at one time or another, was discriminated against and not offered fair chances in joining organzations, colleges, etc. Times have changed, and so have the views and goals of many organizations. Today, I would be surprised to find a fraternity or sorority that wouldn't modify it's ideals in order to please the majority of religions or races. My fraternity used to be christians only, and in the 1960's a major change was made to the landmarks and this is why we are diversified today. My statement wasn't an empty one, it was a serious wake up call for you and your formalist views.

Now as for your opinion that AEPi stands for a safeguard against anti-semetism, I think you are going overboard. Yes, maybe in the middle east we need a little safeguard, but this is America, don't let your paranoia of blood libels overcome the reality of our situation. You sound ridiculous to make such remarks that, in the most bizarre circumstances, Jews would be singled out of a rush program and will be lucky to have AEPi to flock to for sanctuary. Antisemetism is not on the rise this year, it's just making the news more often.

Look, my point is very simple, there is no need for "Jewish Houses." There is no need for "Catholic Houses," "Black Houses," "Chinese Houses," "Church of Scientology Houses," etc... You need to take a step forward and make an independent observation of what you believe in. At the turn of this century, I would be right next to you fighting for equality, freedom, and the pursuit of greek acceptance. This is not an issue today, unless you continue to make it one. I admit that I don't not know much about what the ritual, ideals, landmarks are of your fraternity. I have nothing but complete respect for everyone's house, many started because of similar circumstances as yours. But don't be so blind to opportunities for expanding the original morals and ideas of your founders. Change comes with time, it's a natural cycle for all. It's time to diversify yourselves...

[ROWDYsister]

RUGreek, check your pm's.

[aephi alum]

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[shopgirl]

Originally posted by GreekGuide
that most people who go through rush already know that this house is Jewish, that one Lutheran, that one Catholic, etc...

So other houses are affiliated with different religions/faiths too?
If so, I'm curious to know which sororities are affiliated with which religions/faiths...even if it's not correct, I'm curious to know what people know, or think they know.

Thanks...

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Delta Phi Epsilon is non sectarian.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Rudey
2. KSig you wrote: "you must be willing to accept that those who do NOT desire to live their lives according to Jewish idealogy must be respected for that choice, just as they must respect your decisions and beliefs. "

Please look at my post again. The fourth paragraph in the Need for Jewish houses section, should clarify my standpoint on this. I state that " I believe Carnation was the one who discussed what happened at her convention. Personally I feel if your fraternity/sorority was built on certain ideals then stick with them. I wouldn't ask an organization to change for me and would question why it was that I wanted to join so bad, and if the reasons were really solid, I wouldn't mind the "discomfort". Integration is always great, but assimilation is not. "

I was unclear here - my intent was more in the impersonal use of "you", I meant more likely to use your view as a springboard for making a point for others on a more general level.

[Rudey]

Hey now, you are so right. I can't believe I never saw things your way. With your witty response, everything has been cleared up right now. Geez, tomorrow I'm calling the national office and asking for change as my views were humorous and my ramblings had no point.

-Rudey

Originally posted by RUgreek
Hey Rudey,

Your views and ideals on what AEPi stands for as THE fraternity for Jews is humorous. You are instigating a stereotype and segreation of the greek community. So you're saying that since my fraternity was founded on christian values and ritual, that I should have been rejected and sent to the jewish house? I fail to see the purpose of your ramblings. You claim rituals by other chapters make you uncomfortable, yet I don't see how you could know any of that without being apart of those houses.

Every group, at one time or another, was discriminated against and not offered fair chances in joining organzations, colleges, etc. Times have changed, and so have the views and goals of many organizations. Today, I would be surprised to find a fraternity or sorority that wouldn't modify it's ideals in order to please the majority of religions or races. My fraternity used to be christians only, and in the 1960's a major change was made to the landmarks and this is why we are diversified today. My statement wasn't an empty one, it was a serious wake up call for you and your formalist views.

Now as for your opinion that AEPi stands for a safeguard against anti-semetism, I think you are going overboard. Yes, maybe in the middle east we need a little safeguard, but this is America, don't let your paranoia of blood libels overcome the reality of our situation. You sound ridiculous to make such remarks that, in the most bizarre circumstances, Jews would be singled out of a rush program and will be lucky to have AEPi to flock to for sanctuary. Antisemetism is not on the rise this year, it's just making the news more often.

Look, my point is very simple, there is no need for "Jewish Houses." There is no need for "Catholic Houses," "Black Houses," "Chinese Houses," "Church of Scientology Houses," etc... You need to take a step forward and make an independent observation of what you believe in. At the turn of this century, I would be right next to you fighting for equality, freedom, and the pursuit of greek acceptance. This is not an issue today, unless you continue to make it one. I admit that I don't not know much about what the ritual, ideals, landmarks are of your fraternity. I have nothing but complete respect for everyone's house, many started because of similar circumstances as yours. But don't be so blind to opportunities for expanding the original morals and ideas of your founders. Change comes with time, it's a natural cycle for all. It's time to diversify yourselves...

[MoxieGrrl]

shopgirl: My sorority, Kappa Delta, is Christian. Theta Phi Alpha, I believe, is Catholic. I was very disappointed when I chose a school that did not have a chapter of Theta Phi. I thought it would have been awesome to join a house that incorporated the Catholic faith into their ritual.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by MoxieGrrl
shopgirl: My sorority, Kappa Delta, is Christian. Theta Phi Alpha, I believe, is Catholic. I was very disappointed when I chose a school that did not have a chapter of Theta Phi. I thought it would have been awesome to join a house that incorporated the Catholic faith into their ritual.

MoxieGirl,
According to "From Here to Fraternity" by Robert Egan, Theta Phi Alpha "is nonsectarian, although it has had a historically Catholic membership."