will there ever be a new NPC member?

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If anything, members will probably leave, not be added.

Originally Posted by als463

Really? What makes you say that? Are there members of the NPC that don't seem too happy with it?

Oh I can't wait to hear this!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by als463

Really? What makes you say that? Are there members of the NPC that don't seem too happy with it?

By their actions, yes.

[sigmagirl2000]

Originally Posted by 33girl

By their actions, yes.

I'm confused by this. Care to elaborate?

[pas]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If anything, members will probably leave, not be added.

I am very interested in this...for some reason, it would seem crazy to split away from the NPC...but many of the member groupa did fine without the NPC.

So I would think that the NPC label jas certainly helped when a sorority is looking into expansion or if a group of ladies on a campus are looking for a national group that is social and non professional, cultural, etc they would probably find the list of NPC members more easily.

I don't know much about the inner workings of the NPC...how do you know which groups area acting in a such a way...like are they working against the NPC or something?

I'm curious...

[glittergal1985]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If anything, members will probably leave, not be added.

As curious as I am about this, I checked out the expansion threads but haven't found anything about any groups suggesting they would want to leave. Perhaps groups that regularly choose not to participate in formal recruitment? I'm clueless.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by glittergal1985

As curious as I am about this, I checked out the expansion threads but haven't found anything about any groups suggesting they would want to leave. Perhaps groups that regularly choose not to participate in formal recruitment? I'm clueless.

33girl simply said that she could see a group leaving before one was added. That doesn't mean that any group has straight up said they might leave. As far as I know, no group is currently trying to join the NPC, either. This is just a "what if?" discussion.

[TPA85]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

33girl simply said that she could see a group leaving before one was added. That doesn't mean that any group has straight up said they might leave. As far as I know, no group is currently trying to join the NPC, either. This is just a "what if?" discussion.

Except that this happened:

Originally Posted by als463

Really? What makes you say that? Are there members of the NPC that don't seem too happy with it?

Originally Posted by 33girl

By their actions, yes.

which makes it sound like more than a "what if" discussion.

[ADPiEE]

I would like to see BYX join but I know nothing about the NIC process. Does NIC have a non discrimination policy regarding religion?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ADPiEE

I would like to see BYX join but I know nothing about the NIC process. Does NIC have a non discrimination policy regarding religion?

I would not and I'll do my part locally to object to their inclusion with IFC. On my campus, BYX has a large number of members in other IFC fraternities. It leaves them as more of a Greek Letter club in my book than a fraternity.

I also find the claim of them being a "Christian Fraternity" to be misleading. Nearly all ore maybe all NIC fraternities have Judeo-Christian (or just Jewish in some cases) religious values at their core.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I would not and I'll do my part locally to object to their inclusion with IFC. On my campus, BYX has a large number of members in other IFC fraternities. It leaves them as more of a Greek Letter club in my book than a fraternity.

I also find the claim of them being a "Christian Fraternity" to be misleading. Nearly all ore maybe all NIC fraternities have Judeo-Christian (or just Jewish in some cases) religious values at their core.

Kevin,

Just because someone is allowed to have simultaneous membership in an IFC fraternity and another organization doesn't make the other a "Greek Letter Club". I'll be quite willing to argue at length on the topic, but that wouldn't just be a lane swerve, it would be an highway exit onto another road

In many ways groups like Beta Upsilon Chi are considerably more Religion oriented than almost all of the NIC fraternities were at *any* time in their history. Even Alpha Tau Omega (which I personally count as one of the *most* historically Christian Fraternities in the NIC at the time of its founding) would have been *very* unlikely to schedule time as an organization to attempt to Proseltyze, Beta Upsilon Chi and the similar groups do so.

I consider Beta Upsilon Chi to be Religion Focused in the same way that Sigma Alpha Iota is to Music or Alpha Phi Omega is to Community Service.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I would not and I'll do my part locally to object to their inclusion with IFC. On my campus, BYX has a large number of members in other IFC fraternities. It leaves them as more of a Greek Letter club in my book than a fraternity.

I also find the claim of them being a "Christian Fraternity" to be misleading. Nearly all ore maybe all NIC fraternities have Judeo-Christian (or just Jewish in some cases) religious values at their core.

At Clemson BYX is a social fraternity that operates just like all others social fraternities in conducting rush, having pledges and parties, etc. They just have more strict Christian tenets that need to be followed, i.e. no drinking unless you're of age, belief in the word of the lord, etc. They're more religious (see several chapters getting sued for expelling gay members) than other chapters founded on religious values, as far as I can tell.

Edit: Naraht beat me to it.

[33girl]

I think Kevin's point is that if they want to become an IFC member they need to decide which way they want to go. Sigma Nu, Kappa Alpha Psi, and Triangle are all IFC members that operate very differently, but as far as I know, they all have a rule that you can't join another IFC fraternity.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think Kevin's point is that if they want to become an IFC member they need to decide which way they want to go. Sigma Nu, Kappa Alpha Psi, and Triangle are all IFC members that operate very differently, but as far as I know, they all have a rule that you can't join another IFC fraternity.

Slight point of clarification, it is on the NIC level that there is the rule you can't join another NIC fraternity - i.e. if you are a member of an NIC, you may not join another NIC.

On the other hand, the IFC is campus specific. (Although, my understanding is the NIC is attempting to make campus IFCs more uniform – similar to the NPHC and NPC campus based umbrella organizations.) As such, on some campuses the IFC includes non NIC members (Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta for example) – and GLOs that may allow duel membership (for example, Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia).

[naraht]

I've seen campuses where just about every Greek Letter Organization that isn't a true honorary gets stuck onto the same Council.

[naraht]

My honest *guesses* about what could be meant...

The most likely reason for a group to want to leave the NPC based on expansion would be
1) a declaration that they *are* going to expand to school X even though the NPC at school X is unwilling to expand regardless of how large the houses get.
2) They've decided that they *are* going to return to the school that was their first chapter even though the school still (100+ years later) doesn't qualify for NPC sororities (presumably being a 2 year school)