will there ever be a new NPC member?

[ADPiEE]

I would like to see BYX join but I know nothing about the NIC process. Does NIC have a non discrimination policy regarding religion?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ADPiEE

I would like to see BYX join but I know nothing about the NIC process. Does NIC have a non discrimination policy regarding religion?

I would not and I'll do my part locally to object to their inclusion with IFC. On my campus, BYX has a large number of members in other IFC fraternities. It leaves them as more of a Greek Letter club in my book than a fraternity.

I also find the claim of them being a "Christian Fraternity" to be misleading. Nearly all ore maybe all NIC fraternities have Judeo-Christian (or just Jewish in some cases) religious values at their core.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I would not and I'll do my part locally to object to their inclusion with IFC. On my campus, BYX has a large number of members in other IFC fraternities. It leaves them as more of a Greek Letter club in my book than a fraternity.

I also find the claim of them being a "Christian Fraternity" to be misleading. Nearly all ore maybe all NIC fraternities have Judeo-Christian (or just Jewish in some cases) religious values at their core.

Kevin,

Just because someone is allowed to have simultaneous membership in an IFC fraternity and another organization doesn't make the other a "Greek Letter Club". I'll be quite willing to argue at length on the topic, but that wouldn't just be a lane swerve, it would be an highway exit onto another road

In many ways groups like Beta Upsilon Chi are considerably more Religion oriented than almost all of the NIC fraternities were at *any* time in their history. Even Alpha Tau Omega (which I personally count as one of the *most* historically Christian Fraternities in the NIC at the time of its founding) would have been *very* unlikely to schedule time as an organization to attempt to Proseltyze, Beta Upsilon Chi and the similar groups do so.

I consider Beta Upsilon Chi to be Religion Focused in the same way that Sigma Alpha Iota is to Music or Alpha Phi Omega is to Community Service.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I would not and I'll do my part locally to object to their inclusion with IFC. On my campus, BYX has a large number of members in other IFC fraternities. It leaves them as more of a Greek Letter club in my book than a fraternity.

I also find the claim of them being a "Christian Fraternity" to be misleading. Nearly all ore maybe all NIC fraternities have Judeo-Christian (or just Jewish in some cases) religious values at their core.

At Clemson BYX is a social fraternity that operates just like all others social fraternities in conducting rush, having pledges and parties, etc. They just have more strict Christian tenets that need to be followed, i.e. no drinking unless you're of age, belief in the word of the lord, etc. They're more religious (see several chapters getting sued for expelling gay members) than other chapters founded on religious values, as far as I can tell.

Edit: Naraht beat me to it.

[33girl]

I think Kevin's point is that if they want to become an IFC member they need to decide which way they want to go. Sigma Nu, Kappa Alpha Psi, and Triangle are all IFC members that operate very differently, but as far as I know, they all have a rule that you can't join another IFC fraternity.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think Kevin's point is that if they want to become an IFC member they need to decide which way they want to go. Sigma Nu, Kappa Alpha Psi, and Triangle are all IFC members that operate very differently, but as far as I know, they all have a rule that you can't join another IFC fraternity.

Slight point of clarification, it is on the NIC level that there is the rule you can't join another NIC fraternity - i.e. if you are a member of an NIC, you may not join another NIC.

On the other hand, the IFC is campus specific. (Although, my understanding is the NIC is attempting to make campus IFCs more uniform – similar to the NPHC and NPC campus based umbrella organizations.) As such, on some campuses the IFC includes non NIC members (Kappa Sigma, Phi Delta Theta for example) – and GLOs that may allow duel membership (for example, Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia).