Still using Pledge and Pledgemaster?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

We still expect our NMs to pass a test before initiation. Shrug.

Same here. PMs have to get 100%.

[TSteven]

Pledge = "Pledge"
Magister = "Pledge Master"
Pledgeship = "New Member Program"

[wsucalsigmakapp]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I'm also on board with believing there should be terms of acceptance into full membership - ie tests. Even if the terms of these tests or accomplishments are easily achievable, there still should be SOME demonstration of commitment.

/climbs off high horse

I think in many organizations tests are still very common, I took a test prior to initiation, and my younger sister was just initiated (April 2013) into Gamma Phi Beta and she had to pass an exam for initiation. =)

[DubaiSis]

I believe I heard that's hazing. I don't agree, DUH. But it was my understanding that there were no tests in NPC to merit initiation. But if AOII nationally still allows it, maybe I'm wrong.

[jazing]

I'm just checking this thread is strictly talking about sororities correct?? Cause nearly every fraternity at my campus still uses the terms pledge and pledgemaster (except those that have other terms like Phi Delta Theta being Phikai, etc.)

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by jazing

I'm just checking this thread is strictly talking about sororities correct?? Cause nearly every fraternity at my campus still uses the terms pledge and pledgemaster (except those that have other terms like Phi Delta Theta being Phikai, etc.)

No, naraht asked about Greeks/GLOs in general.

But yes, more sororities have jettisoned the terms than fraternities have.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, naraht asked about Greeks/GLOs in general.

But yes, more sororities have jettisoned the terms than fraternities have.

Actually, I knew that NPC and NPHC had largely jettisoned. I was *hoping* for NIC information. Does anyone have an estimate on how many (and hopefully examples) of the NIC Fraternities still use the term pledge and the term pledge master? I know several fraternities use different terms for the pledge master (I think there is one NIC fraternity where a single Greek Letter is used for each of the officer positions)

And then there is the situation like ZBT that have totally walked away from the concept.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by naraht

Actually, I knew that NPC and NPHC had largely jettisoned. I was *hoping* for NIC information. Does anyone have an estimate on how many (and hopefully examples) of the NIC Fraternities still use the term pledge and the term pledge master? I know several fraternities use different terms for the pledge master (I think there is one NIC fraternity where a single Greek Letter is used for each of the officer positions)

And then there is the situation like ZBT that have totally walked away from the concept.

Did you mean Delta Chi which uses the English (Latin) alphabet?

Delta Chi Undergraduate officer positions

Delta Chi has six permanent officer positions that must be filled. While each position has strict definitions of responsibility, their duties may vary slightly from each group.

"A" – The "A" is the president of the chapter or colony.
"B" – The "B" is the vice president of the chapter or colony.
"C" – The "C" is the secretary of the chapter or colony.
"D" – The "D" is the treasurer of the chapter or colony.
"E" – The "E" is the alumni relations advisor.
"F" – The "F" is the risk management manager.

[MysticCat]

^^^ Similarly, KA Order uses Roman numerals. The chapter president is called Number I, chapter vice president is Number II, the chapter recording secretary is Number III, etc.

That said, I don't think the New Member Educator (I think that's their title) falls under the group of officers that have "Number __" titles.

[pshsx1]

Well, SigEp's terminology is kind of... weird, for lack of a better term, due to lack of a clearly defined "pledge" vs. "full-member" period, the fact that some chapters are still on the model, and the infinite differing ways that each other chapter decides to run the Balanced Man Program.

Now, when it comes to BM chapters, the term "pledge" and "pledgemaster" are definitely abolished. If anything, there are the terms "Sigma", "Phi", and "New Member" which could be used interchangeably (to an extent) depending on the chapter. The person overseeing them is typically the Vice President of Member Development or some variant as dictated by local bylaws.

For pledge model chapters, I know "pledge master" is abolished and I'm assuming the term "pledge" is as well, despite the fact that their pledge pins say the word "pledge" in Greek on them.

Lane swerve: Required tests in order to obtain full membership rights are deemed as hazing. But I will say that I am 100% an advocate for them and appreciate the time I had to dedicate to my own.

[jazing]

We use the standard stuff, sorry its not creative. Pledge, pledgemaster, and the pledge program. Our nationals even has sessions at conventions for pledge education.

BTW tests shouldn't be considered hazing because as someone who will become a member of the organization they should have a knowledge of it. Not knowing one's own founders or the founding year nationally is a big issue if you are a member.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by jazing

BTW tests shouldn't be considered hazing because as someone who will become a member of the organization they should have a knowledge of it. Not knowing one's own founders or the founding year nationally is a big issue if you are a member.

While I agree that testing isn't hazing -- at least as I understand hazing or as my fraternity, my former campus or my state laws define hazing -- other groups certainly have the right to decide that it does qualify as hazing or is otherwise not allowed under their policies.

And don't assume that no testing = not knowing things like one's founders or founding date. Pledges/new members can still know those things without being tested on them.

[alum]

S is a pledge right now. They are most definitely not called new members. He and his fellow pledges were required to build an igloo after yesterday's snowstorm. Hazing? Perhaps, but they regarded it as a bonding activity.