Harvard newspaper doesn't want a 4th sorority

[LocalLove9]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Yes, yes, a million times yes. This is also why, with the exception of Dartmouth, when an Ivy chapter loses its charter, you know they did Something. Very. Bad.

Hmm...I'm not quite sure what you mean about Dartmouth being an exception. Could you elaborate?

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by LocalLove9

Hmm...I'm not quite sure what you mean about Dartmouth being an exception. Could you elaborate?

Dartmouth made all of their chapters local--it wasn't a national decision, it was a University-wide decision. It's been discussed ad nauseam around here, by people much more articulate than I.

I'm speaking mainly of chapters where they lose a national charter...usually it's harder for an Ivy to lose their charter than it is for any other college. The cachet of having an Ivy chapter is very attractive for many groups.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

One question: I didn't know that NPC orgs would colonize on campuses where they aren't recognized by the university. Apparently I was mistaken. Anyone know of other examples.

For a good while NPCs were not recognized at Texas A&M. They existed, but were not fully recognized until about 1990 / 1991. A lot of the NPC chapters at A&M were colonized in the late '70s - early 80's.

What I remember was that the school had some "issue" with the NPCs so that is why they were not recognized for a long time. Then the NPCs and the campus worked out whatever "issue" it was and the chapters then were recognized by the University.

Oddly though the IFC fraternities were recognized by the University long before the NPCs.

[agzg]

I really wish the writer of that article had the guts to attach their name to it, rather than hiding behind "The Crimson Staff" as a byline.

[Senusret I]

Unless I am mistaken, Harvard will not recognize any organization which is a chapter of a larger organization.

In short, Harvard's stance (reading between the lines) is that it won't allow an organization which would divide a student's financial loyalty after graduation.

It's sad that the Crimson doesn't see that it's about the money and not social equity or anything of the sort.

[Low C Sharp]

DBB, the property being purchased won't be "shared living arrangements" because they'll only be used as lodges, not student housing. Everybody lives in the dorms.

Harvard will not recognize any organization which is a chapter of a larger organization.

This isn't right. Harvard recognizes many groups that are chapters of larger organizations -- Hillel, Amnesty International, College Republicans, etc. etc. However, all those organizations are not selective and they accept any undergraduate as a member. What they resist is (1) groups where outsiders are perceived to have a say in membership decisions and (2) single-gender groups.

I don't know if anyone has tried to start an Alpha Phi Omega chapter there, but it would be an interesting test case. My guess is that they would recognize it.
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[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

DBB, the property being purchased won't be "shared living arrangements" because they'll only be used as lodges, not student housing. Everybody lives in the dorms.

I'm not familiar with such an arrangement. Are there other campuses that have this model? I thought even campuses with smaller lodges typically had a few women living there, usually officers.

In any case, thanks for the info. It was woefully unclear in the editorial.

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I'm not familiar with such an arrangement. Are there other campuses that have this model? I thought even campuses with smaller lodges typically had a few women living there, usually officers.

In any case, thanks for the info. It was woefully unclear in the editorial.

My chapter has a lodge with no housing. Everyone either lives in the dorms or off-campus. Three other sororities on campus have full houses, and one is completely unhoused.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

My chapter has a lodge with no housing. Everyone either lives in the dorms or off-campus. Three other sororities on campus have full houses, and one is completely unhoused.

So, it's like a living room and kitchen?

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

So, it's like a living room and kitchen?

Not really. We have a formal meeting room and a chapter meeting room on the top floor, and then a kitchen, an office, and living space on the bottom floor. And then 3 bathrooms. It's a house, just without bedrooms.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

DBB, the property being purchased won't be "shared living arrangements" because they'll only be used as lodges, not student housing. Everybody lives in the dorms.



This isn't right. Harvard recognizes many groups that are chapters of larger organizations -- Hillel, Amnesty International, College Republicans, etc. etc. However, all those organizations are not selective and they accept any undergraduate as a member. What they resist is (1) groups where outsiders are perceived to have a say in membership decisions and (2) single-gender groups.

I don't know if anyone has tried to start an Alpha Phi Omega chapter there, but it would be an interesting test case. My guess is that they would recognize it.

From the Harvard Student Organization Handbook:


Local autonomy of the organization. The criterion for local autonomy shall be whether the College organization makes all policy decisions without obligation to any parent organization, national chapter, or charter.

From: http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do...icb.page365169

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I don't know if anyone has tried to start an Alpha Phi Omega chapter there, but it would be an interesting test case. My guess is that they would recognize it.

Harvard is a no go for Alpha Phi Omega as well. We have (have had?) a member of the Alpha Phi Omega alumni staff that has worked APO extension throughout New England and beyond for over a decade and who is(was?) an employee of Harvard University. Given that she says that we aren't welcome there, nothing is happening.

Alpha Phi Omega *requires* school recognition for a chapter to exist. No recognition = no chartering and no recognition = loss of charter.

Having said that, the situation at Harvard led to a change in the APO bylaws. The rules on giving Honorary members *used* to say
"Honorary Brotherhood shall not be bestowed upon undergraduate students", *now* they say
"Honorary Membership shall not be bestowed upon undergraduate students, except for students at institutions where extension efforts would be allowed by the Fraternity but cannot be attempted due to institutional regulations. "

[LocalLove9]

Dartmouth actually has 3 local sororities and 5 national sororities, and there is a college ban on founding any new locals. The most recent colonizations have been KD and aphi.

Dartmouth does have a large number of local fraternities, but they do have some national ones as well.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by LocalLove9

Dartmouth actually has 3 local sororities and 5 national sororities, and there is a college ban on founding any new locals. The most recent colonizations have been KD and aphi.

Dartmouth does have a large number of local fraternities, but they do have some national ones as well.

Okay. I don't know what things are like now, but Dartmouth's Greek system is a little different from the other Ivies...there was a push a few years ago (maybe longer ago than I think) to take away national charters. It was a University, and not an organizational, decision.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Yeah the Zeta of Psi Upsilon is on Dartmouth, so can you please explain what you are talking about?