Harvard newspaper doesn't want a 4th sorority

[DeltaBetaBaby]

One question: I didn't know that NPC orgs would colonize on campuses where they aren't recognized by the university. Apparently I was mistaken. Anyone know of other examples.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

One question: I didn't know that NPC orgs would colonize on campuses where they aren't recognized by the university. Apparently I was mistaken. Anyone know of other examples.

Princeton, I think.

I don't think that's NPC policy, just a recommendation. The prestige of a chapter at an Ivy (and the perceived financial health of the students and alumnae) outweighs the not-being-recognized factor. They're also aware of why the schools don't recognize Greeks - i.e. for bullshit PC reasons - not because of religious or risk mgmt factors.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Princeton, I think.

Princeton is recognized.

Santa Clara University in California does not recognize groups.

[IotaMuanno]

Originally Posted by Blondie93

Princeton is recognized.

Santa Clara University in California does not recognize groups.

In Canada many schools have NPC GLOs but have no recognition from the University, in fact, lack of recognition is the norm. For example, my university, WLU, has both a Delta Gamma and Alpha Phi chapter (as well as one local sorority) and we are not recognized. The same situation applies to almost every school in Canada (and most have NPC groups). In fact, only University of British Columbia has a formal campus IFC and Panhellenic in the traditional American sense.

Maybe this clarifies things?

Enjoy your discussion about Harvard...

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

One question: I didn't know that NPC orgs would colonize on campuses where they aren't recognized by the university. Apparently I was mistaken. Anyone know of other examples.

Originally Posted by IotaMuanno

In Canada many schools have NPC GLOs but have no recognition from the University, in fact, lack of recognition is the norm. For example, my university, WLU, has both a Delta Gamma and Alpha Phi chapter (as well as one local sorority) and we are not recognized. The same situation applies to almost every school in Canada (and most have NPC groups). In fact, only University of British Columbia has a formal campus IFC and Panhellenic in the traditional American sense.

Maybe this clarifies things?

Enjoy your discussion about Harvard...

Yep, I was about to post "Almost every Canadian chapter" when I saw this post.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Yep, I was about to post "Almost every Canadian chapter" when I saw this post.

From what people have said about Canada Greek life on here, that also falls into "bullshit PC reasons" as to why they're not recognized.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by 33girl

From what people have said about Canada Greek life on here, that also falls into "bullshit PC reasons" as to why they're not recognized.

Yes, with the chapters I used to work with in Canada, it is solely because GLOs discriminate re: gender so they cannot be recognized by their Universities. I know of one that gets around it for some things by having a "Friends of Panhellenic Sororities" organization that anybody can join if they want to. Then the Friends of Panhellenic Sororities can use campus facilities for recruitment, etc. The Universities aren't against them, per se, they just can't officially recognize them due to the campus rules for recognized orgs.

[ColdInCanada11]

Originally Posted by IotaMuanno

In Canada many schools have NPC GLOs but have no recognition from the University, in fact, lack of recognition is the norm. For example, my university, WLU, has both a Delta Gamma and Alpha Phi chapter (as well as one local sorority) and we are not recognized. The same situation applies to almost every school in Canada (and most have NPC groups). In fact, only University of British Columbia has a formal campus IFC and Panhellenic in the traditional American sense.

Maybe this clarifies things?

Enjoy your discussion about Harvard...

I don't know if it's quite that "across-the-board" in Canada. At my school (Manitoba), all three NPC chapters are recognised, as well as our Panhellenic. I think that it comes down to the specific university.

Also, I believe that in Canada (and possibly in the United States, but that would just be a guess), that many NPC groups were formed when they were recognized on campus, and then remained after they were de-recognised (if that is actually a word).

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I don't think that's NPC policy, just a recommendation. The prestige of a chapter at an Ivy (and the perceived financial health of the students and alumnae) outweighs the not-being-recognized factor.

Yes, yes, a million times yes. This is also why, with the exception of Dartmouth, when an Ivy chapter loses its charter, you know they did Something. Very. Bad.

[LocalLove9]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Yes, yes, a million times yes. This is also why, with the exception of Dartmouth, when an Ivy chapter loses its charter, you know they did Something. Very. Bad.

Hmm...I'm not quite sure what you mean about Dartmouth being an exception. Could you elaborate?

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by LocalLove9

Hmm...I'm not quite sure what you mean about Dartmouth being an exception. Could you elaborate?

Dartmouth made all of their chapters local--it wasn't a national decision, it was a University-wide decision. It's been discussed ad nauseam around here, by people much more articulate than I.

I'm speaking mainly of chapters where they lose a national charter...usually it's harder for an Ivy to lose their charter than it is for any other college. The cachet of having an Ivy chapter is very attractive for many groups.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Dartmouth made all of their chapters local--it wasn't a national decision, it was a University-wide decision. It's been discussed ad nauseam around here, by people much more articulate than I.

I don't know about fraternities, but I know that Alpha Chi Omega, Kappa Alpha Theta and Sigma Kappa had chapters at Datmouth where the chapter members voted to go local and became Xi Kappa Chi, Epsilon Kappa Theta, and Sigma Delta, respectively. I believe (at least in the case of SK becoming SD) that they took offense to our ritual and among other things, didn't like the rules that being National entailed. I thought the others were the same.

Also, Dartmouth has chapters of AXiD (began as a local), Tri Delta, Kappa, Alpha Phi, and KD.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

One question: I didn't know that NPC orgs would colonize on campuses where they aren't recognized by the university. Apparently I was mistaken. Anyone know of other examples.

For a good while NPCs were not recognized at Texas A&M. They existed, but were not fully recognized until about 1990 / 1991. A lot of the NPC chapters at A&M were colonized in the late '70s - early 80's.

What I remember was that the school had some "issue" with the NPCs so that is why they were not recognized for a long time. Then the NPCs and the campus worked out whatever "issue" it was and the chapters then were recognized by the University.

Oddly though the IFC fraternities were recognized by the University long before the NPCs.