Joining two sororities?

[GodlyAspiringDr]

I just busted out laughing at this!!!!

Originally Posted by Senusret I

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

lol no. You made an Ad hominem attack against me. I didn't exactly do that. I used APO as an example of a service fraternity, which I regret doing since I should of just used generalities or "XYZ fraternity".

sorry

Really?

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Personally, I wouldn't join a service fraternity that emulated traditional NPHC communities because that just seems pretty phoney

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

If I was on a campus where APO acted more like a social fraternity than a service fraternity, I wouldn't join APO because they're going against their purpose. That seems fake to me, as if the members couldn't get bids in IFC organizations so they joined something with greek letters. I can see feeling the same way if a service fraternity used a lot of the same symbolism in regards to signs, steps, strolls, etc as a NPHC organization

So yeah, putting aside your regretted use of APO as an example, you basically said any service fraternity chapter that strolls or steps is, in your opinion, "phoney" and "fake," with members who probably joined just to get Greek letters.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Really?



So yeah, putting aside your regretted use of APO as an example, you basically said any service fraternity chapter that strolls or steps is, in your opinion, "phoney" and "fake," with members who probably joined just to get Greek letters.

In a word, that is what he is saying.

And many would agree, I believe we had plenty of threads that discussed that same issue. Not necessarily a service fraternity, but even NIC's founded on HBCU campuses have run into that issue.

[BemoreLXA]

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

And, for example, a whites only clause for organizations founded before the 1960s. Any organization that's equal opportunity these days is fake.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

And, for example, a whites only clause for organizations founded before the 1960s. Any organization that's equal opportunity these days is fake.

To be fair, at least one of the NPHC fraternities had a negro-only clause for membership when it was first founded...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by naraht

To be fair, at least one of the NPHC fraternities had a negro-only clause for membership when it was first founded...

That doesn't change the point I was making.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That doesn't change the point I was making.

Which was? Are you indicating that all of the fraternities that had some variety of rules limiting membership based on race, ethnicity or religion became fake when they removed them?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

Well APO's cardinal principles are leadership, friendship and service, as well as having an open motto stating "be a friend, be a leader, be of service" so I don't see how taking up some of the mannerisms of an NPHC is violating that.

*goes back to own lane*

[naraht]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

Alpha Phi Omega's Cardinal Principles are Leadership, Friendship and Service. I don't see how any of the adopting any of the NPHC symbolism gets in the way of any of those. We had a Stepping demonstration at Alpha Phi Omega's last National Convention, we've had a hand sign more or less since founding in the 1920s (though I doubt it was "thrown"), there is no official nickname (like Fiji) for the fraternity, so using AyPhiQue rather than APO or APhiO isn't particularly odd. Yes, the chapters at HBCUs tend to order their pledge classes by height and call them lines, so? I've also been invited to Probate for the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Howard University.

Note, by the time that our primary founder had passed (in the late 1960s) we had more than a dozen chapters at HBCUs and not long after that we had one of the founders of the chapter at Howard University as our National President.

Please let me know which of this is *fake*.

I've been involved in some way with extension for Alpha Phi Omega for close to 20 years, you match the campus to the expected model for the extension group. A chapter from an extension at Virginia State University (Public, HBCU)*will* look more like Howard University or Norfolk State University than it will look like the chapter at University of Richmond (Private, HWI).

[BemoreLXA]

I didn't mean to single out APO, that was inappropriate. At my school, members of APO are fine, upstanding, individuals.

[BemoreLXA]

But in general, I feel a "fake" organization is one which goes against its values, thus thats my answer to Deamon

[33girl]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

But in general, I feel a "fake" organization is one which goes against its values, thus thats my answer to Deamon

As a college student at Boston University, Warren A. Cole (Boston 1912) founded Lambda Chi Alpha on November 2, 1909, with the expressed objective purpose of bringing about the association of college students of good moral character in the various collegiate institutions within the United States and Canada; to foster a high moral and spiritual standard of life based on Christian ideals; to promote honorable friendship; to cultivate intellectual excellence; to secure for members the greatest advantages in college life; to establish brotherly love, mutual aid, close personal connection between alumni, undergraduates and colleges; and, to bind them together for mutual pleasure and interest in college, as well as after life by testing each with courage, self-control, obedience, democracy, and courtesy toward all with whom they may come in contact.

So this means you're a fake brother, right?

[SMTTT]

[BemoreLXA]

Originally Posted by 33girl

So this means you're a fake brother, right?

No, not at all. I feel that I embody all of those aspects and personal attacks do little to bring me down. Regardless, I do have some problems with Warren A. Cole but I put those aside for the good he did for the fraternity