More Americans Die of Poverty than Terrorism

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

But in all seriousness I agree with what KSUViolet says, just sending someone a food stamp or a stipend every month isn't going to end poverty; To start we need better paying jobs for people.

Or we need to get rid of the governments intervention in the marketplace which has caused poverty.

That would be a start.

(and Nickel and Dimed lacked logic, perspective, and consistency. It was just bad.)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Or we need to get rid of the governments intervention in the marketplace which has caused poverty.

That would be a start.

(and Nickel and Dimed lacked logic, perspective, and consistency. It was just bad.)

How does the government create poverty through marketplace intervention? In a truly "free market" would there be 0 government intervention? Is a minimum wage a government intervention that should be abolished?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

How does the government create poverty through marketplace intervention? In a truly "free market" would there be 0 government intervention? Is a minimum wage a government intervention that should be abolished?

Minimum wage is an example of government intervention in the marketplace. It propagates racism of the worst kind, denies the least educated/experienced the opportunity to gain education/experience, increases unemployment, and marginalizes the poorest.

So, yes that would be one of them.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Minimum wage is an example of government intervention in the marketplace. It propagates racism of the worst kind, denies the least educated/experienced the opportunity to gain education/experience, increases unemployment, and marginalizes the poorest.

So, yes that would be one of them.

@ the bold: How so? Not being snarky. I'm genuinely curious why you feel that way.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Minimum wage is an example of government intervention in the marketplace. It propagates racism of the worst kind, denies the least educated/experienced the opportunity to gain education/experience, increases unemployment, and marginalizes the poorest.

So, yes that would be one of them.

Without a minimum wage what would stop the underpayment of workers when there is high unemployment?

Are two jobs that pay $3.00 an hour actually better than 1 that pays $6.00 an hour?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by da.most

You have atttended too many angry black men rallies.

Minimum wage does not deny anyone the opportunity to get an education. The real problem is your people don't care about education and they usually quit school.


If we did away with minimum wage do you think your opportunities will increase? If so then how?

*cue Alanis Morissette*

It's like raaaaaaain on your wedding day....

EW: Make sure you send in your Black People dues by next Thursday.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by da.most

You have atttended too many angry black men rallies.

Minimum wage does not deny anyone the opportunity to get an education. The real problem is your people don't care about education and they usually quit school.


If we did away with minimum wage do you think your opportunities will increase? If so then how?

That's the definition of iroooooony.

[Kevin]

The military actually helps a lot with fighting poverty. It provides some of the best middle class jobs around, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only really good job option for most young lower class unskilled workers.

As for Nickel and Dimed, I found the entire premise to be ridiculous. It's required reading at my wife's school, but really--it's just about some PhD bitching about her low-wage job. She misses the whole point as to what low wage jobs are. They're low wage because the employer can get away with paying that wage. No one owes you anything. You either continue to work in work you find "degrading," which is such bullshit, nothing about cleaning toilets is degrading, it's honest work, most of us on GC have probably had to clean toilets at jobs we had in high school/undergrad. You either work that job forever or you work that job until you can build up a skill set someone values more.

The government is not going to fix poverty with entitlement programs. It'll possibly make poverty more palatable or even desirable, but it won't fix it.

That said, I do wish that the Air Force had to have bake sales to build its bombers instead of schools having to engage in that activity to buy textbooks.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The military actually helps a lot with fighting poverty. It provides some of the best middle class jobs around, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only really good job option for most young lower class unskilled workers.

As for Nickel and Dimed, I found the entire premise to be ridiculous. It's required reading at my wife's school, but really--it's just about some PhD bitching about her low-wage job. She misses the whole point as to what low wage jobs are. They're low wage because the employer can get away with paying that wage. No one owes you anything. You either continue to work in work you find "degrading," which is such bullshit, nothing about cleaning toilets is degrading, it's honest work, most of us on GC have probably had to clean toilets at jobs we had in high school/undergrad. You either work that job forever or you work that job until you can build up a skill set someone values more.

The government is not going to fix poverty with entitlement programs. It'll possibly make poverty more palatable or even desirable, but it won't fix it.

I disagree with much of this.

Originally Posted by Kevin

That said, I do wish that the Air Force had to have bake sales to build its bombers instead of schools having to engage in that activity to buy textbooks.

I agree with this.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The military actually helps a lot with fighting poverty. It provides some of the best middle class jobs around, not to mention the fact that it's probably the only really good job option for most young lower class unskilled workers.

The military is great for people who don't have a lot of economic options in their hometowns. I've been told, " The only job in town was the mine/farm/factory and they weren't hiring." when asking guys why they joined.


You can use the skills and knowledge you learn while serving to give you that leg up but....... You have to utilize it, which a lot of people don't do causing them to end up in the same shitty situation they were in before they enlisted.

[Drolefille]

Hmmm, who is more likely to be missing the point about low-wage jobs, someone who has one for a living, or Kevin.

Oh, I know the answer to this one.

Seriously, if you think poverty is ever desirable in any country including those with far more comprehensive assistance than we provide, you're an idiot. And if you think that everyone who works low wage jobs should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and then they'd get ahead, you're an idiot.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Hmmm, who is more likely to be missing the point about low-wage jobs, someone who has one for a living, or Kevin.

Oh, I know the answer to this one.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by da.most

Asians are the most qualified. Asian immigrants usually come here with nothing but at the end of the day the Asians have the highest per capita income. How do you explain that fact?

Le, C.N. 2010. "The Model Minority Image: Balancing Praise and Caution." Asian-Nation: The Landscape of Asian America.

http://www.asian-nation.org/headline...raise-caution/

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by da.most

What is your point?

Le, C.N. 2010. "The Model Minority Image: Balancing Praise and Caution." Asian-Nation: The Landscape of Asian America.

http://www.asian-nation.org/headline...raise-caution/

[Tulip86]

I feel minimum wage does in a way prevent companies to take abuse of those who have no other options than to take the "minimum wage" jobs. If there was no lower limit, they would just pay whatever they wanted to pay. Off course there are companies who do pay their employees well and treat them with respect, but for most, it's profits before people.