Claim: Bronx Students Forced To Clean School Toilets

[Animate]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Poor little divas. I take it none of these kids have an after school job at a restaurant or plan on joining the military after graduation?

I see nothing wrong with this. I like the idea of having kids do chores around the school, it's a lot more productive than having them sit in a room for an hour (detention).

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I agree that students should be doing something productive while in detention.

I disagree that cleaning toilets (which exposes the students to waste, diseases, etc) is the way to do it.

Not sure how the job and military references fit in, since cleaning toilets is NOT the job of students.

This.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

When I worked at a fast food restaurant in high school I had to clean the restrooms there. When I was in basic training, we all had to clean the latrines. Yes, it was far from pleasent but I've yet to hear of any mcdonalds employee catching Ebola and dying from mopping a bathroom floor. If these students find this form of punishment so repulsive, maybe it will encourage them to change the behaviour that landed them in detention in the first place.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So you were employed? Being paid? That's exactly the point that we're making.

These students are not. There are certainly ways for them to do chores/cleaning around school that does not expose them to biohazards as a punishment.

And this.

A student cleaning toilets for their job and them doing it at school are totally different situations to most people.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I agree that students should be doing something productive while in detention.

I disagree that cleaning toilets (which exposes the students to waste, diseases, etc) is the way to do it.

Not sure how the job and military references fit in, since cleaning toilets is NOT the job of students.

At the Catholic school I attended, students had to do this and worse as punishment. There were also work-study students who received full and partial tuition waivers for performing janitorial duties after school.

The danger aspect of this is rather trumped up. It's unpleasant, but detention should suck.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Kevin

At the Catholic school I attended, students had to do this and worse as punishment. There were also work-study students who received full and partial tuition waivers for performing janitorial duties after school.

The danger aspect of this is rather trumped up. It's unpleasant, but detention should suck.

Wow. I went to an all girls Catholic highschool and we didn't have to do any of this. Saturday morning detention (in uniform) for 4 hours was bad enough.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm pro-Saturday detentions, parents don't like having to drive the kids there, kids don't like being there, all sorts of motivation not to screw up.

Saturday detentions cost money that a lot of schools don't have in their budgets though. You have to pay someone to monitor, as well as the added utilities plus think of all the breakfast club shenanigans that will ensue

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

At the Catholic school I attended, students had to do this and worse as punishment. There were also work-study students who received full and partial tuition waivers for performing janitorial duties after school.

The danger aspect of this is rather trumped up. It's unpleasant, but detention should suck.

I've worked retail and my parents were both military. I'm no stranger to cleaning strange shit.

The bolded is the point, though. Those students received some sort of compensation for their duties. It wasn't used as a punishment. Your (general) school curriculum doesn't consist of learning and other duties as assigned.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

At the Catholic school I attended, students had to do this and worse as punishment. There were also work-study students who received full and partial tuition waivers for performing janitorial duties after school.

The danger aspect of this is rather trumped up. It's unpleasant, but detention should suck.

It's still wrong to compare any job (work study or not) to using it as a punishment. Along with a dose of "just because it's been done doesn't mean it's ok."

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Saturday detentions cost money that a lot of schools don't have in their budgets though. You have to pay someone to monitor, as well as the added utilities plus think of all the breakfast club shenanigans that will ensue

No matter what you do for detention you have to supervise it, yet somehow I think you can manage to save money and not have kids forced to clean bathrooms, probably poorly.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Saturday detentions cost money that a lot of schools don't have in their budgets though. You have to pay someone to monitor, as well as the added utilities plus think of all the breakfast club shenanigans that will ensue

You ain't lyin.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I've worked retail and my parents were both military. I'm no stranger to cleaning strange shit.

The bolded is the point, though. Those students received some sort of compensation for their duties. It wasn't used as a punishment. Your (general) school curriculum doesn't consist of learning and other duties as assigned.

Some schools still include discipline and respect as part of the educational experience. When you lack discipline and respect for your teachers, there ought to be painful consequences. In the past, that meant corporal punishment, now it means cleaning up disgusting stuff--typically, starting early in the morning on a weekend.

[DaemonSeid]

Cleaning toilets was a chore I did at home...it taught you to be clean and maintain a clean environment.

We are feeling sorry for these kids because of...what again?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Cleaning toilets was a chore I did at home...it taught you to be clean and maintain a clean environment.

We are feeling sorry for these kids because of...what again?

Yea, you learned to keep YOUR environment clean. You weren't forced to wipe up Joe Random's piss at your house.

Not feeling sorry for them, but they should have been punished another way.

[DrPhil]

Cleaning your family's shit is much more fun and admirable than cleaning your classmates' shit.

Janitors are supposed to clean toilets in many of these schools. Let's not mess with their gainful employment. It's a recession, bitches. It's bad enough that prisoners are used to clean highways and make desks. Where are the jobs going?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Cleaning your family's shit is much more fun and admirable than cleaning your classmates' shit.

*side eye*

I'd rather clean up after my family members (familiar with their medical histories) than after classmates/teachers/visitors (who may or may not have communicable diseases).

[Drolefille]

I'm just going to co-sign k_s for the rest of this thread.

Unless you say something stupid!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I'd rather clean up after my family members

*side eye*

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm just going to co-sign k_s for the rest of this thread.

Now if that's not a siggy, I don't know what is...


I hope that wasn't stupid