times are changing and i need some help

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

bwahaha. this made me think of something. ima pm you.

It important to me to respect women who are seeking membership in our organization. If I don't believe an aspirant is mature enough to be successful in the sorority without any effort on my part to break her down in order to build her back up, I will do everything I can to make sure she isn't in the position to join in the first place.

Originally Posted by odpsp08

everyone has a different program so people should not be judging on whether or not we haze our girls, which i wouldnt even constitute a lot of our activities as hazing.

Cuz,

Originally Posted by odpsp08

we have gotten in trouble for "hazing" and people have gone to the school saying that they have heard things coming from our house. thank god we havent lost recognition...it sucks that things have to change but what are you gonna do?

Sounds like someone has already judged that your activities likely constitute hazing.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You should've never come here in the first place. Despite 50 years and your supposed confidence over your pledge program, you created this thread. You're young in your organization so remember that you aired your local's pledge laundry with this thread.

Not to mention letting us all know she's from Spring 2008.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by odpsp08

we dont beat them, we dont force them to drink, we dont degrade them.

You force them to come in through the back door and do menial tasks for you. How in the name of all that is holy is that NOT degrading?

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by odpsp08

having pledges enter the house through the back door is hazing...having them answer the phone.

Why would you even want to do such childish, immature things? Are you not young women preparing for the workforce? Perhaps you could attempt to be adults and your hazing troubles will be alleviated.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But there's a difference between treating pledges as sisters and treating them like your personal slaves.

There's a middle ground though.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Why would you even want to do such childish, immature things? Are you not young women preparing for the workforce? Perhaps you could attempt to be adults and your hazing troubles will be alleviated.

bwahaha. this made me think of something. ima pm you.

[DrPhil]

So, sound the alarms!!! The local ODP (that makes me wanna sing an ODB song) is hazed and confused.

[IrishLake]

I gave a suggestion. The OP didn't respond to it. I certainly don't see Locals as losers or major hazers. I have several cousins-in-law who were in Local orgs at small ohio colleges, and never ever got that impression. But considering the OP said they had been in trouble with their college for hazing, and people "hear" things coming from their house... I took that in a literal sense. Not that people hear rumors about her house, but that people walk by and either hear the girls yelling or singing or doing something very vocal for long periods of time. Is yelling or singing to excess the best way to get new members to learn what needs to be learned? Hardly.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

I gave a suggestion.

Yes, you did. And then you went on to be kind of condescending to her. Speaking of quitting while you're ahead.

Seriously, if you (everyone you) can't step out of your national bubble, just don't pay attention to any posts from anyone in a local. I'm sorry but I've seen this attitude time and time again on GC over the years and I'm just really sick and tired of it. If this girl had been from a chapter of a national and said she got accused of hazing unfairly, I doubt there would have been an automatic pile on.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yes, you did. And then you went on to be kind of condescending to her. Speaking of quitting while you're ahead.

Seriously, if you (everyone you) can't step out of your national bubble, just don't pay attention to any posts from anyone in a local. I'm sorry but I've seen this attitude time and time again on GC over the years and I'm just really sick and tired of it. If this girl had been from a chapter of a national and said she got accused of hazing unfairly, I doubt there would have been an automatic pile on.

She didn't actually say it was unfair, she just put scare quotes around the word hazing. She, in fact, specifically said they had to change their practices. Which means *ta da* they were doing some things that counted as hazing.

I get being frustrated, I just think you've picked a pretty awful time to white knight for locals. Being a local doesn't mean you get to haze. It doesn't mean that your org's definition of hazing is the same as national orgs, but it does mean you have to follow school policy. When someone says "Thank god we're still recognized" then they're NOT adhering to that. Everything she said sounded like they were only changing because they either got caught or just barely squeaked by.

I do not, and never will think that locals are inherently less than a national orgs, but I don't think they should get a free pass either.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Seriously, if you (everyone you) can't step out of your national bubble, just don't pay attention to any posts from anyone in a local. I'm sorry but I've seen this attitude time and time again on GC over the years and I'm just really sick and tired of it. If this girl had been from a chapter of a national and said she got accused of hazing unfairly, I doubt there would have been an automatic pile on.

What in the samhell are you talking about? Seriously.

It seems like you're the only one with the axe to grind. The rest of us were talking about pledging and hazing. Period. You are assuming way too much and that reflects on you more than on us.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Seriously, if you (everyone you) can't step out of your national bubble, just don't pay attention to any posts from anyone in a local. I'm sorry but I've seen this attitude time and time again on GC over the years and I'm just really sick and tired of it. If this girl had been from a chapter of a national and said she got accused of hazing unfairly, I doubt there would have been an automatic pile on.

When you say "national," it seems like you're talking about national GLOs in councils/conferences that have very strict member education/pledging policies (e.g. NPC, NPHC). Do Theta Nu Xi and Alpha Phi Omega fit your definition?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

When you say "national," it seems like you're talking about national GLOs in councils/conferences that have very strict member education/pledging policies (e.g. NPC, NPHC). Do Theta Nu Xi and Alpha Phi Omega fit your definition?

As I know nothing about Theta Nu Xi's pledging process, I have no idea if it fits my definition.

I'm speaking about social fraternities and sororities, not service based ones.

I know it sounds like I'm pulling this out of my ass and going batshit, but I've just seen it time and time again on GC over the years. The "Sorority Life" show threads were a basic example.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know it sounds like I'm pulling this out of my ass and going batshit, but I've just seen it time and time again on GC over the years. The "Sorority Life" show threads were a basic example.

Perhaps but it is misplaced in this thread. Go off your rocker when it actually is happening.

LOL @ batshit crazy.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by 33girl

As I know nothing about Theta Nu Xi's pledging process, I have no idea if it fits my definition.

I'm speaking about social fraternities and sororities, not service based ones.

I know it sounds like I'm pulling this out of my ass and going batshit, but I've just seen it time and time again on GC over the years. The "Sorority Life" show threads were a basic example.

The reason I asked was because the flexibility we have in developing and executing our intake process is probably similar to the flexibility of a local or any org with no council/conference affiliation. I was going to say that my comments in this thread are based on my risk management experience as a former National Board member dealing with undergraduate intake. In no way do I want to come off as dismissing locals.

HOWEVER, you explained your concern about where it appeared the thread was heading.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know it sounds like I'm pulling this out of my ass and going batshit, but I've just seen it time and time again on GC over the years. The "Sorority Life" show threads were a basic example.

Me too.

[KSUViolet06]

Ummmm ok?

You know I'd be the first to agree with you if I felt that were the case, but I really don't see the pile-on that you're describing (at least not in this thread).

What I said, I'd say to any member of any sorority (even my own).

When you've been sanctioned for hazing before, you're on your school's radar a little and like it or not, you have to play by the rules (whether you think that makes for a "touchy-feely" program or not).