Sprite Step Off - Page 2

rhoyaltempest · #1 02-21-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I disagree with that.

We do each other's steps in tribute to one another. And personally, when I'm judging a step show, I will give ZERO points (if possible) for originality if too much of the show relies on tributes, or blatantly takes steps I have seen before.

I didn't say tribute but that's what I meant and I also don't like to see too much of this or orgs doing another's steps that they don't usually do. So we agree actually.

DrPhil · #2 02-21-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I bet we will think twice now about teaching non-D9 our steps because we think it's cute.

Good thing I never thought it was cute and never did it. The furthest I ever went was teaching a group of high school girls in a mentoring program one step that was specially altered for kids to learn and perform.

Teaching another org (D9 or non-D9) some steps (or how to step) moves from cute and flattering to annoying, copy cat, and "damn, can you create your OWN stuff" reaaaaaaal quick.

rhoyaltempest · #3 02-21-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Good thing I never thought it was cute and never did it. The furthest I ever went was teaching a group of high school girls in a mentoring program one step that was specially altered for kids to learn and perform.

Teaching another org (D9 or non-D9) some steps (or how to step) moves from cute and flattering to annoying, copy cat, and "damn, can you create your OWN stuff" reaaaaaaal quick.

Exactly. I once had a middle school cheerleading team when I taught school and they wanted to learn how to step so I MADE UP steps for them. I did not teach them SGRho steps. If you are a stepmaster or stepmistress, you should know how to make up steps. You can recycle beats and make up different motions or even use new beats from popular songs. It's not that hard. Many are just lazy!

deepimpact2 · #4 02-25-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Since we're posting about it:

From what I saw, ZTA was just average based on BGLO stepping standards. The steps and overall routine were something a BGLO team would've done in the 1990s (including a Matrix theme).

The crowd was responding to the shock value of white people being able to pull it off since many people have never seen whites step (and relatively well). When I actually dissected the steps, not all of the members were that great. Overall, it was very mechanical and technical with yelling but very little of the heart and soul that would get a crowd to scream for you like that if you're an NPHC team.

Is this what they won for? If so, it is definitely shock value: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=016C4sUj5_8

Well said. This is what I was trying to articulate to some people this week. They just didn't get it. It boiled down to, "oh that's just another hatin' AKA."

knight_shadow · #5 02-21-2010, 06:05 PM

I usually hate watching "novelty" teams step, but I really enjoyed the ZTA performance. They obviously put in a lot of work.

DrPhil · #6 02-21-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I usually hate watching "novelty" teams step....

knight_shadow · #7 02-21-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yea, yea, yea...you know what I mean lol

KAPital PHINUst · #8 02-21-2010, 06:27 PM

Krimson and Kream love to the ladies of ZTA for winning the Sprite Step Off; they did indeed wreck shop last night and they deserved to win.

Senusret I · #9 02-21-2010, 06:25 PM

I liked them, but:

1) They were not better than the Tau Chapter AKAs.
2) Their routine was derivative of many other organization's steps.
3) The judges were not Greek.
4) The judges were by and large not experts in stepping, or in some cases, dance.

knight_shadow · #10 02-21-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

1) They were not better than the Tau Chapter AKAs.

I just watched this performance, and damn.

Flexible, much?

Little32 · #11 02-21-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I liked them, but:

1) They were not better than the Tau Chapter AKAs.
2) Their routine was derivative of many other organization's steps.
3) The judges were not Greek.
4) The judges were by and large not experts in stepping, or in some cases, dance.

Interesting, because for the one that I went to in Chicago, the judges were from D9 organizations. It was my understanding that this was the case for other shows as well. I wonder why the switch-up for the National finals. :neutral:

deepimpact2 · #12 02-25-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I liked them, but:

1) They were not better than the Tau Chapter AKAs.
2) Their routine was derivative of many other organization's steps.
3) The judges were not Greek.
4) The judges were by and large not experts in stepping, or in some cases, dance.

@ the part in bold: I think that was my biggest gripe with the performance.
As for your 3 and 4, I agree that this is problematic. I have a low tolerance for these types of things when they bring in celebrities to judge who really have no knowledge or experience in the particular area they are judging. Makes me question their credibility in making these decisions.

Kind of like Ellen being an AI judge. Love her to death, but I don't think she knows anything about music and singing.

Senusret I · #13 02-21-2010, 07:20 PM

Senusret I · #14 02-21-2010, 07:44 PM

I can imagine why from a promotional standpoint, but I guess coming from an artistic standpoint (as most Greeks might agree) it was the wrong move. If they were going to use famous people, I'd prefer famous Greeks who have exposure to stepping in some way (Darryl Bell from A Different World, for example). If not Greek themselves, I'd at least like to see someone with a background in dance (Debbie Allen, are you listening?)

But alas, that's not what it turned out to be.

I'm not mad at Zeta Tau Alpha for following the rules. I do question the borrowing of a tradition from one culture in order to promote one's own organization.

How come nobody ever borrows the Filipino stick dance? Or capoeira?

LatinaAlumna · #15 02-21-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

How come nobody ever borrows the Filipino stick dance? Or capoeira?

I've seen some You-Tube videos of a sorority that "borrowed" my sorority's use of machetes (which has a very deep cultural meaning for those of us who are of Mexican descent) and is highly signature. When I saw it, I wondered how that sorority would feel if we used some of their highly recognizable poses or hand gestures.

ETA: And the moves they were doing with the machetes were exact copies of some of the routines that my sisters have up on You Tube...so much so that I knew what those women were going to do next in their routine.