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Old 02-21-2010, 09:16 PM
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Since we're posting about it:

From what I saw, ZTA was just average based on BGLO stepping standards. The steps and overall routine were something a BGLO team would've done in the 1990s (including a Matrix theme).

The crowd was responding to the shock value of white people being able to pull it off since many people have never seen whites step (and relatively well). When I actually dissected the steps, not all of the members were that great. Overall, it was very mechanical and technical with yelling but very little of the heart and soul that would get a crowd to scream for you like that if you're an NPHC team.

Is this what they won for? If so, it is definitely shock value: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=016C4sUj5_8
Agree totally. People seemed sooo shocked that they could even step and when they did the matrix move (which D9 did years ago), the crowd went off. Also, the judges should be greek and I hear that they were celebrities so they have no idea of what to look for in judging. I agree that they did a good job but most steps were borrowed from various D9 orgs and while some will argue that we do eachother's steps "so what's the big deal?", the point is it's all D9 so it's all good and part of D9 stepping culture.

I bet we will think twice now about teaching non-D9 our steps because we think it's cute.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:19 PM
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.... while some will argue that we do eachother's steps "so what's the big deal?", the point is it's all D9 so it's all good and part of D9 stepping culture.
I disagree with that.

We do each other's steps in tribute to one another. And personally, when I'm judging a step show, I will give ZERO points (if possible) for originality if too much of the show relies on tributes, or blatantly takes steps I have seen before.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:21 PM
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I disagree with that.

We do each other's steps in tribute to one another. And personally, when I'm judging a step show, I will give ZERO points (if possible) for originality if too much of the show relies on tributes, or blatantly takes steps I have seen before.
I didn't say tribute but that's what I meant and I also don't like to see too much of this or orgs doing another's steps that they don't usually do. So we agree actually.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:36 PM
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I bet we will think twice now about teaching non-D9 our steps because we think it's cute.
Good thing I never thought it was cute and never did it. The furthest I ever went was teaching a group of high school girls in a mentoring program one step that was specially altered for kids to learn and perform.

Teaching another org (D9 or non-D9) some steps (or how to step) moves from cute and flattering to annoying, copy cat, and "damn, can you create your OWN stuff" reaaaaaaal quick.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:46 PM
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Good thing I never thought it was cute and never did it. The furthest I ever went was teaching a group of high school girls in a mentoring program one step that was specially altered for kids to learn and perform.

Teaching another org (D9 or non-D9) some steps (or how to step) moves from cute and flattering to annoying, copy cat, and "damn, can you create your OWN stuff" reaaaaaaal quick.
Exactly. I once had a middle school cheerleading team when I taught school and they wanted to learn how to step so I MADE UP steps for them. I did not teach them SGRho steps. If you are a stepmaster or stepmistress, you should know how to make up steps. You can recycle beats and make up different motions or even use new beats from popular songs. It's not that hard. Many are just lazy!
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