Obama Makes First Transgender Presidential Appointment

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

As a conservative, I agree with that statement. I don't really care about someone being Muslim, however, if Obama was an Atheist or a Satanist, I would have a problem. Come on, we all have our judgments. I think I might start a thread on this.

You don't have to be a conservative to not want an Atheist or Satanist in office.

Yes, we all have our judgments. I used to be very conservative (what others and myself considered conservative) and I had to get over many of the things that I was conservative about because the reality didn't support the bullshit that I was spewing. Much of it was really about stereotypes and unfounded claims.

I consider myself neither a conservative nor a liberal--I guess that makes me a moderate? I guess...categories mean nothing.

Originally Posted by als463

Anyway, it scares me to think where this country is going. I feel like, as soon as you open your mouth in opposition to certain ways of life, you are seen as a racist, classist, a hater, etc.

Muslim, not so much. Whatever. Cool. Transgender...ehhhhh....

Being opposed to something is not always the issue. Why you are opposed and how you express it is the issue. Also, ask yourself whether your fears are well founded or do they reek of the fears of years passed that resulted in systemic oppressions.

As I always tell people, I don't care if people are prejudiced as long as they keep it in the realm of thoughts rather than action. When it differentially impacts an outcome, it becomes an -ism.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"First we get a Muslim president and now we have he-shes in the White House. Let us pray for the future of our country."

I still find it sad that I know people who would say this

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by epchick

I still find it sad that I know people who would say this

Ditto.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by als463

As a conservative, I agree with that statement. I don't really care about someone being Muslim, however, if Obama was an Atheist or a Satanist, I would have a problem. Come on, we all have our judgments. I think I might start a thread on this.

Anyway, it scares me to think where this country is going. I feel like, as soon as you open your mouth in opposition to certain ways of life, you are seen as a racist, classist, a hater, etc.

Muslim, not so much. Whatever. Cool. Transgender...ehhhhh....

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You don't have to be a conservative to not want an Atheist or Satanist in office.

Yes, we all have our judgments. I used to be very conservative (what others and myself considered conservative) and I had to get over many of the things that I was conservative about because the reality didn't support the bullshit that I was spewing. Much of it was really about stereotypes and unfounded claims.

I consider myself neither a conservative nor a liberal--I guess that makes me a moderate? I guess...categories mean nothing.



Being opposed to something is not always the issue. Why you are opposed and how you express it is the issue. Also, ask yourself whether your fears are well founded or do they reek of the fears of years passed that resulted in systemic oppressions.

As I always tell people, I don't care if people are prejudiced as long as they keep it in the realm of thoughts rather than action. When it differentially impacts an outcome, it becomes an -ism.

So you are opposed to having an Atheist (gasp!) as president over the plethora of fake religious politicians racing to church to show how religious they are just to prove to the American people that they are Christians? I'd take an Atheist who makes decisions based in logic rather than random "because I think it's God's will" logic any day. Why do your specific religious beliefs trump everyone else's religious beliefs? Separation of church and state is for a very good reason.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

So you are opposed to having an Atheist (gasp!) as president over the plethora of fake religious politicians racing to church to show how religious they are just to prove to the American people that they are Christians? I'd take an Atheist who makes decisions based in logic rather than random "because I think it's God's will" logic any day. Why do your specific religious beliefs trump everyone else's religious beliefs? Separation of church and state is for a very good reason.

Yeah it is kind of ridiculous. But the fact of it is, people vote with their hearts. Need I remind you that there has only been one Roman Catholic president in our nation's history? Because a lot of protestants and Anglicans don't trust them.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Use your imagination...Not everyone is blessed with a good surgeon or passable looks.

Exactly -- not every stransgendered individual's results will work out like "Tula's" did (a Bond Girl who was born a guy, she had a role in "Octopussy"...my, how fitting.)

[ZXDelt304]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

So you are opposed to having an Atheist (gasp!) as president over the plethora of fake religious politicians racing to church to show how religious they are just to prove to the American people that they are Christians? I'd take an Atheist who makes decisions based in logic rather than random "because I think it's God's will" logic any day. Why do your specific religious beliefs trump everyone else's religious beliefs? Separation of church and state is for a very good reason.

Excellent. I know some agnostics who are closer to being Christian than some Christians themselves. I am Libertarian, so Im not siding on Liberal or Conservative modern mainstream ideas. But it does seem rather curious that President Obama is appointing so many "Firsts". I know he is very liberal with affirmative action. So, is he trying to get as many minorities (i.e. Transgenders, hispanics, women, etc) into high offices solely on the basis of they being a minority and he is trying to be the most progressive president? Or are they being appointed by their merit.

[epchick]

Are we really gonna turn this discussion into one about religion? Oh geez..

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by ZXDelt304

Excellent. I know some agnostics who are closer to being Christian than some Christians themselves. I am Libertarian, so Im not siding on Liberal or Conservative modern mainstream ideas. But it does seem rather curious that President Obama is appointing so many "Firsts". I know he is very liberal with affirmative action. So, is he trying to get as many minorities (i.e. Transgenders, hispanics, women, etc) into high offices solely on the basis of they being a minority and he is trying to be the most progressive president? Or are they being appointed by their merit.

I'm thinking it might be a combination of the two. They are being appointed by merit, but if there are two equally qualified candidates, he would go for the minority. My $.02 at least.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by epchick

Are we really gonna turn this discussion into one about religion? Oh geez..

Yes. And if you don't participate, you're a racist, too.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Yes. And if you don't participate, you're a racist, too.

Ooooooh snap. Well then....all y'all are Godless people and are going to hell.

Better?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by epchick

Ooooooh snap. Well then....all y'all are Godless people and are going to hell.

Better?

Much

[epchick]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Much

Excellente! lol. I wouldn't want my main squeeze (ok, so idk what to call him yet) to think I was a racist, he would be shocked. lol

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

So you are opposed to having an Atheist (gasp!) as president over the plethora of fake religious politicians racing to church to show how religious they are just to prove to the American people that they are Christians? I'd take an Atheist who makes decisions based in logic rather than random "because I think it's God's will" logic any day. Why do your specific religious beliefs trump everyone else's religious beliefs? Separation of church and state is for a very good reason.

"What the hell are you talking about" is the nicest response that I can think of.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

So you are opposed to having an Atheist (gasp!) as president over the plethora of fake religious politicians racing to church to show how religious they are just to prove to the American people that they are Christians? I'd take an Atheist who makes decisions based in logic rather than random "because I think it's God's will" logic any day. Why do your specific religious beliefs trump everyone else's religious beliefs? Separation of church and state is for a very good reason.

In some way, when it comes to politics, everyone's personal beliefs "trump" the rest of the country. Think about why you choose one politician over another - most likely, it's because that politician shares a belief, or is promoting a cause you think is more important than other causes.

Isn't that, in a way, thinking that your beliefs "trump" everyone else's (or thinking that your beliefs should win out, at the very least)?

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I love how all of the conservatives kept arguing that no one should mention anyones' race, gender, etc when announcing these appointments and that the Obama administration is the only administration that does this. Did I imagine the W administration announcing how inclusive they were every time he nominated a hispanic or african american or female candidate for some office or other?

I love over-generalizations when it comes to politics. I'll bet you most conservatives couldn't care less, as long as it doesn't increase our taxes.