SFSU Students Take Over Building in Protest

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Then what other program would you cut? Or would you stop giving entitlements to illegals?

The state budget has a finite supply of cash. When you're subsidizing higher ed at a significantly higher rate than other states, it's not a hard decision as to where the cut needs to be made -- especially when federally subsidized loans are available to pay for these things.

Really, the other 49 states are looking at these California students and thinking that they area bunch of spoiled douches. A whole $3000 per semester?? That'd be a bargain anywhere these days.

Pretty much.

[christiangirl]

I don't think it particularly matters what the other states think because this isn't happening to other states. (Or rather other SCHOOLS, not every CA university has tuition that low). Other schools are used to tuition being $4,000/$5,000/$6,000 a semester. SFSU students have grown accustomed to this price and that is what they set their budgets around, that is what they have become capable of. To hike tuition by THAT much forces them so far beyond their many if not most cannot possibly cope. On average, college tuition goes up 8% a year and people have a hard time with that--I'm not saying one school's tuition should or should not stay lower than the national average, but a sharp 100% increase would throw anybody into a tailspin.

[Kappamd]

California students can take out loans just like everyone else. Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for them.

Also, their situation isn't unique. Schools all over the country, many with MUCH higher tuition, are implementing increases. Sure, they may not be as obviously drastic, but when you combine it with a twofold increase in fees, increases in room and board, etc., it adds up.

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

Also, their situation isn't unique. Schools all over the country, many with MUCH higher tuition, are implementing increases. Sure, they may not be as obviously drastic, but when you combine it with a twofold increase in fees, increases in room and board, etc., it adds up.

This. (even though I hate it when people say "this" it really just sums it up here)

The cost of education is going up everywhere, and even with the tuition hike this is still comparatively a very affordable education.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

This. (even though I hate it when people say "this" it really just sums it up here)

I also hated that until I started doing it.

Tuition goes up, some more drastically than others. It is their right to protest. At the end of the day, the tuition will still go up unless the protestors have other bright ideas. Whether or not enrollment and retention suffers because of it is something that most colleges and universities pay people to keep an eye on.

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I also hated that until I started doing it.

Ugh, I hope I don't make a habit of it

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

Ugh, I hope I don't make a habit of it

This.

[VandalSquirrel]

The cost of living in San Francisco is ridiculous, and as a native San Franciscan if I wanted to attend any area schools I would have had to live at home, and even that cost was higher than going out of state for one year an changing my residency to Idaho. Registering my car is cheaper here, as well as my insurance.

http://www.sfsu.edu/~finaid/newcost.html

For a full time student living on their own with in state tuition it will cost $22,830 for a year.

Perhaps these students might be interested in transferring to the University of Idaho because with the Western Undergraduate Exchange (WUE) they'd pay 2,000 less a year and be able to live somewhere decent and walk or bike to school at $20,946. Our sales tax is also lower, but it isn't hard to get a two bedroom apartment for $500 a month within walking distance and utilities aren't much.

http://www.uidaho.edu/futurestudents...ttendance.aspx

There's even a guaranteed transfer scholarship of $3,000 to be paid over two years with a 3.3 and 30 credits completed. There's a whole section with transfer courses and the amount of scholarships are insane, most of my friends are debt free or close to it for their BA/BS and even graduate school has a lot to give, especially engineering.

http://www.uidaho.edu/futurestudents...olarships.aspx


See you soon California students, don't forget to pack winter clothes but with the amount of money you'll save you can buy one as well as gloves, a hat, and snow boots with the money you'll be saving. We're also playing in the Humanitarian Bowl if you want to meet us in Boise, bet you could carpool to Moscow.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

California students can take out loans just like everyone else.

Why does this keep getting repeated as if CA students don't take out loans? The cost of living is so high (especially in SF and other metro areas) that pretty much all income goes to food, gas, bills, and rent. Unless you're in a JC or got a full ride, I hear (from friends who stayed local) that a loan seems to be a must.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Why does this keep getting repeated as if CA students don't take out loans? The cost of living is so high (especially in SF and other metro areas) that pretty much all income goes to food, gas, bills, and rent. Unless you're in a JC or got a full ride, I hear (from friends who stayed local) that a loan seems to be a must.

Well that's what happens when you choose to live and go to school in a place where the cost of living is so high.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

If they really are hiking tuition from $1167 to $2300 then, yes, that's unreasonable.

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I'm not saying one school's tuition should or should not stay lower than the national average, but a sharp 100% increase would throw anybody into a tailspin.

Just an FYI, but SFSU's tuition is not going up by 100%. I'm basing all this on the tuition for 6.1 units+ (because 12 units is considered full-time, not 6.1)

Tuition is $2,013.00

Bringing the tuition to $2300-2400 is NOT 100%. These students are complaining about an extra $300-400 dollars.

ETA: It even says on the website that shows tuition, that the first hike in tuition prices was 10% for the Fall 2009 school year. Really? Protests over a 10% hike?

[Munchkin03]

What the EFF?! This is what I read in the New York Times about it:

"Along with indignation over budget cuts, a blog listing the protesters’ demands included forgiveness of all student loans and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. With demands far beyond the purview of school administrators, negotiations with the students was nearly impossible, Ms. Griffin said."

Seriously? Shut up kids.

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

What the EFF?! This is what I read in the New York Times about it:

"Along with indignation over budget cuts, a blog listing the protesters’ demands included forgiveness of all student loans and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. With demands far beyond the purview of school administrators, negotiations with the students was nearly impossible, Ms. Griffin said."

Seriously? Shut up kids.

LOL. Thank you for posting that. After a really long day at work, that was the comedic relief I needed.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by dakish

How much do you think college costs in other states?

About the price it cost for me to attend a college that was not in California.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

What the EFF?! This is what I read in the New York Times about it:

"Along with indignation over budget cuts, a blog listing the protesters’ demands included forgiveness of all student loans and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. With demands far beyond the purview of school administrators, negotiations with the students was nearly impossible, Ms. Griffin said."

I have no words. None. This is where I need PB to come in with the speech that starts with "blank stare" and ends with "jokers."

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Ok so I stand corrected. 10% increase is nothing.

I wouldn't say nothing, but it makes a heck of a lot more sense. Thanks for posting that, epchick, that's much more proportional.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Can anybody name another school anywhere where the cost will go up 100% in one academic semester?