Obama has won a Nobel

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Little32

ETA: It never ceases to amaze me how folk who don't run anything but their mouths try to second guess those who are in a position to make these awards. Why do you all get to say he doesn't deserve the award, when according to the judgement of the folks that vote for these prizes year-in and year-out, he does. Give me a break.

Oh get over it.

Once again, don't say anything about Obama or think critically about anything pertaining to him because the crybabies will waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Little32

And regardless of what folks say (and sometimes you folks are just too much for me) Obama has taken huge strides in trying to reframe U. S. leadership on the global scale. He has offered the olive branch (in the form of renewed diplomatic attempts) to people and nations that no recent president has wanted to touch with a twenty-foot pole. It hasn't always worked, but it does demonstrate a desire to change the nature of U. S. foreign to a model that is more equitable and inclusive on a global scale. Many here would point to that desire as a weakness; many abroad, who are weary of the U. S. as global bully, see it as a strength.

But many Presidents have done this before and not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. FDR's Good Neighbor policy represented a dramatic shift in what generally had been a very bloody involvement in Latin America into an uninvolved non-parental role. This was early before the war. FDR's policy was far more impactful than anything Barack Obama has ever done to date.

ETA: It never ceases to amaze me how folk who don't run anything but their mouths try to second guess those who are in a position to make these awards. Why do you all get to say he doesn't deserve the award, when according to the judgement of the folks that vote for these prizes year-in and year-out, he does. Give me a break.

Mahatma Gandhi has never won it. Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini have been nominated at one time or another. One of the worst Presidents in American history Jimmy Carter, has won it. Henry Kissinger won it. I can assume that the Peace Prize is really just a slam against Barack Obama, some sort of insult.

[DrPhil]

I don't care about differing opinions regarding his worthiness.

You do:

Originally Posted by Little32

@ETA: It never ceases to amaze me how folk who don't run anything but their mouths try to second guess those who are in a position to make these awards. Why do you all get to say he doesn't deserve the award, when according to the judgement of the folks that vote for these prizes year-in and year-out, he does. Give me a break.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Little32

ETA: It never ceases to amaze me how folk who don't run anything but their mouths try to second guess those who are in a position to make these awards. Why do you all get to say he doesn't deserve the award, when according to the judgement of the folks that vote for these prizes year-in and year-out, he does. Give me a break.

You're insane. Yassir Arafat won a Nobel Peace Prize. Your blind support of the Nobel committee is ... um... less than laudable. Think critically.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Little32

And regardless of what folks say (and sometimes you folks are just too much for me)
ETA: It never ceases to amaze me how folk who don't run anything but their mouths try to second guess those who are in a position to make these awards. Why do you all get to say he doesn't deserve the award, when according to the judgement of the folks that vote for these prizes year-in and year-out, he does. Give me a break.

Yeah and yeah to both statements in bold.

[DGTess]

The 1983 Laureate, Poland's Lech Walesa, was more blunt.
"Who, Obama? So fast? Too fast - he hasn't had the time to do anything yet," Walesa told reporters in Warsaw.

Neither did key US newspaper The Wall Street Journal mince its words, describing the choice of Obama as "completely bizarre."
"It is unclear why. For making peace, of a kind, with Hillary Clinton? For giving up the missile shield and cheering up the Iranians? For preparing a surge of troops and weaponry in Afghanistan?" said the paper in an editorial.
"Of course, traditionally it has been standard procedure that winners of the prize do their peacemaking first... But this innovation sweeps aside such old-fashioned notions of reward following effort."

The new American way.

[tld221]

Furthermore, im suprised no one has pulled a race card yet. Not just GC, but in the media.

I'm just waiting for Roland, Dyson and Donna Brazile to weigh in on CNN.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by tld221

Furthermore, im suprised no one has pulled a race card yet. Not just GC, but in the media.

Race isn't a "card," but I mentioned being the first Black President in my 2nd post.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Race isn't a "card," but I mentioned being the first Black President in my 2nd post.

So does that mean that Mandela got one for being the 1st Black President in South Africa?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

So does that mean that Mandela got one for being the 1st Black President in South Africa?

That probably had something to do with it. A Black President of South Afrika is a great example of change and hope for future change.

[Kappamd]

There was quite a bit of buzz about this in my first lecture this morning (and about us bombing the moon too, but that's a whole 'nother issue). The sentiment of 95% of my classmates was that the award is extremely premature given the lack of any significant results from Obama.

The other 5% would watch Obama back over their puppy, and still think the sun shined out his.......

[Little32]

@Phil

Well, my statement was not about Obama. The Nobel Foundation is a private foundation that has specific criteria that it uses to select the folks that will be awarded a prize in any given year. The folks designated to vote answer only to their collective interpretation of that criteria. By virtue of the fact that they have selected Obama to receive the award, he deserves it.

It is, in a lot of ways, akin to sorority or fraternity membership. It's like someone telling you that a Delta, who you voted into the organization, does not deserve to be a Delta. What would your response be? I am sure that it would be something like, who are you--an outsider--to tell me--a member--who deserves to be voted into my organization.

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by Little32

@Phil

Well, my statement was not about Obama. The Nobel Foundation is a private foundation that has specific criteria that it uses to select the folks that will be awarded a prize in any given year. The folks designated to vote answer only to their collective interpretation of that criteria. By virtue of the fact that they have selected Obama to receive the award, he deserves it.

It is, in a lot of ways, akin to sorority or fraternity membership. It's like someone telling you that a Delta, who you voted into the organization, does not deserve to be a Delta. What would your response be? I am sure that it would be something like, who are you--an outsider--to tell me--a member--who deserves to be voted into my organization.

That's a stretch.

[DrPhil]

Little32 is confusing the belief that Obama doesn't deserve the award with the belief that the Nobel Foundation's doesn't have the ability to award it to him based on their criteria.

Obviously they can and they did. Everyone doesn't have to think it's well deserved. The same goes for nonDeltas' opinions on who becomes a Delta. I certainly have opinions on the worthiness of some people who joined other GLOs.

We all know that organizational criteria are sometimes stretched and bypassed when possible, and interpretations of the criteria can be adjusted to suit a purpose, so there's no surprise there.

[Little32]

I am not confused. But ok.