Charles Manson follower Susan Atkins dies

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Read a book, and you'll also know that Sharon Tate's unborn child (that Susan "Sadistic" Atkins denied her) would have been named Paul too.

Originally Posted by agzg

Also - I can't find anything online about her having a child in prison. Cheerfulgreek, can you cite that source? Everything I've seen has said that she had a child before the murders, and when her family did not come forward to claim the child he was adopted and his name was changed. Actually, to Paul, which would have been the name of Sharon Tate's child. But no one knows (or is saying) what happened to that child.

Read a post, actually, the post you quoted, and you'll know that I already said that.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

Read a post, actually, the post you quoted, and you'll know that I already said that.

I don't read your posts...much.

[cheerfulgreek]

^^^Do you have any clue how painful it was to the families of the victims? Do you? Obviously you don't.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

^^^Do you have any clue how painful it was to the families of the victims? Do you? Obviously you don't.

I didn't say it wasn't painful to them. In fact, I think a few posts ago I mentioned that it was painful, and that I'm sure they're doing some mourning of their own right now.

Do you have any idea what it's like to watch someone die of terminal brain cancer? Or any cancer, for that matter? Day in and day out? Have you ever seen (firsthand) and been up close and personal with the effects of that? Do you? Obviously you don't.

There are obviously many victims in this case, and I don't think I've ever denied that, or the fact that she should not have been released from prison, which she wasn't. I just think it's slightly cruel to insinuate that someone who is dying of terminal cancer should not be treated.

Unfortunately, you're right, there are innocent Americans that can't access healthcare and do die of terminal cancer. I don't agree with that either. However, that's not the topic at hand.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

I didn't say it wasn't painful to them. In fact, I think a few posts ago I mentioned that it was painful, and that I'm sure they're doing some mourning of their own right now.

Do you have any idea what it's like to watch someone die of terminal brain cancer? Or any cancer, for that matter? Day in and day out? Have you ever seen (firsthand) and been up close and personal with the effects of that? Do you? Obviously you don't.

There are obviously many victims in this case, and I don't think I've ever denied that, or the fact that she should not have been released from prison, which she wasn't. I just think it's slightly cruel to insinuate that someone who is dying of terminal cancer should not be treated.

Unfortunately, you're right, there are innocent Americans that can't access healthcare and do die of terminal cancer. I don't agree with that either. However, that's not the topic at hand.

agzg!!! I. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. SUSAN. ATKINS. Why? Because I think it's completely cruel to murder and deny a woman child birth. And let me add...to just tell her after Sharon told her she just wants to have her baby "look bitch I don't have any mercy for you or your baby." agzg, you can continue to have favor on this woman if you want to, but I don't and NEVER will so just let it go.

btw: if they would have gotten rid of her at the time of sentencing, she would have never gotten brain cancer. Blame our justice system.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

btw: if they would have gotten rid of her at the time of sentencing, she would have never gotten brain cancer. Blame our justice system.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

She should have been executed over 30 years ago, before she got brain cancer.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

agzg!!! I. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. SUSAN. ATKINS. Why? Because I think it's completely cruel to murder and deny a woman child birth. And let me add...to just tell her after Sharon told her she just wants to have her baby "look bitch I don't have any mercy for you or your baby." agzg, you can continue to have favor on this woman if you want to, but I don't and NEVER will so just let it go.

btw: if they would have gotten rid of her at the time of sentencing, she would have never gotten brain cancer. Blame our justice system.

I don't think I ever said that she didn't deserve to be punished or serve the rest of her life in prison. I don't support the death penalty, regardless of crime, because I think it's barbaric and it doesn't serve as a deterrent because every criminal thinks he's smarter or better and won't get caught. I also don't like to speak in terms of "getting rid" of people by killing them.

I don't get how you think she has favor with me? You are jumping to conclusions. I commented that her life had some value (all lives have value) and that she had done some good works that even the families of the victims acknowledged. I also commented that it was horrible to die of brain cancer and I expressed sorrow for her family in their time of loss. Seeing as I don't figure her family committed any crimes, it's not really wrong to express sympathy, is it?

I also commented that brain cancer is painful and to force someone to go through that with no type of health care is cruel.

You know, you say you don't care about Susan Atkins, but your posts indicate that you care very deeply.

My points are beliefs that I hold for all people, regardless of whether or not they're in prison. It has very little to do with the actual case at hand.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

I don't support the death penalty,

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okay.......

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

^^^Do you have any clue how painful it was to the families of the victims? Do you? Obviously you don't.

Just as a general rule - it's never a good idea to make assumptions about the life experiences of others. Honestly, you don't know what agzg has/hasn't gone through.

Debate is fine, but there are limits...

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Just as a general rule - it's never a good idea to make assumptions about the life experiences of others. Honestly, you don't know what agzg has/hasn't gone through.

Debate is fine, but there are limits...

You're right, KSigkid. I agree, but I have a right to my opinion on the death penalty just as much as she has hers.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

You're right, KSigkid. I agree, but I have a right to my opinion on the death penalty just as much as she has hers.

I never said you didn't (and, to be fair, neither did she).

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

Look at posts #19 and #20. Just go look at them. They're on page 2. Read them, every single word.

Seriously.

I did. Tell me, are you the only one who knows that Sharon was going to name her son, Paul? I didn't read your post. I saw this on news the day she died. I saw it that morning on the news because she died around 2:30pm ET. I didn't get that from your post, agzg.

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I never said you didn't (and, to be fair, neither did she).

I was clearly agreeing with 33girl, and agzg jumps all over me for my comments. Read it for yourself. I wasn't even reading agzg's original posts (I rarely do). You can see that for yourself too.

[agzg]

Just because I don't support the death penalty doesn't mean I don't have the right to comment on the case or my beliefs in relation to the case. Just a little FYI.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by agzg

Just because I don't support the death penalty doesn't mean I don't have the right to comment on the case or my beliefs in relation to the case. Just a little FYI.

Finally, we agree on something. I also have that right. "Just a little FYI"