Is Hazing making a comeback?

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Just for clarity, pledging and hazing are two different things. Both are forbidden in my fraternity, but they will get you different sanctions.

Then.. what do you classify as "pledging"?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Just for clarity, pledging and hazing are two different things. Both are forbidden in my fraternity, but they will get you different sanctions.

In the NPHC world, those may be two different things, but for the purpose of NPC groups, any "pledging" being discussed by these chapters is essentially hazing. Trust me, they aren't discussing the predetermined New Member education programs of their organizations!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

In the NPHC world, those may be two different things, but for the purpose of NPC groups, any "pledging" being discussed by these chapters is essentially hazing. Trust me, they aren't discussing the predetermined New Member education programs of their organizations!

I understand that.

If the distinction was made between hazing (as a crime) and organizational membership infractions, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in with "everything" being considered hazing.

Each organization should have the power to determine their own rules without essentially watering down the meaning of hazing.

I blame Hank Nuwer and them, too.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I understand that.

If the distinction was made between hazing (as a crime) and organizational membership infractions, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in with "everything" being considered hazing.

Each organization should have the power to determine their own rules without essentially watering down the meaning of hazing.

I blame Hank Nuwer and them, too.

One of the main problems is that universities don't distinguish between the two. You can get kicked off campus for both, so GLOs don't have the opportunity to handle these things internally.

[Langox510x]

Well I was hazed, but at least I wasn't beat into my orginization like my dad was many years ago.

[1914blue1920]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Just for clarity, pledging and hazing are two different things. Both are forbidden in my fraternity, but they will get you different sanctions.

How are they forbidden in your frat? Hazing is mental and physical abuse to be initiated into an org, and a pledge is your solemn oath to be loyal to that org. So you didnt pledge to be loyal to your frat?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 1914blue1920

How are they forbidden in your frat? Hazing is mental and physical abuse to be initiated into an org, and a pledge is your solemn oath to be loyal to that org. So you didnt pledge to be loyal to your frat?

You know what he means.

[Senusret I]

Hazing = the crime as defined by local laws
Pledging = pledging

lol

Sorry I can't be more precise than that.

[Senusret I]

I can dig it. Many universities don't.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Hazing never left.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

Hazing never left.

I think one of the reasons that there seems to be an upswing in hazing is because of the internet.

Now, hear me out: Before the internet, most of our news sources were national/local tv news, radio, and newspapers. With the internet, we now have more access to news sources.

In the past, a hazing incident would be reported in local news. It would only make a national news source if it were particularly horrific. If a hazing incident happened in Florida, I might only hear about it if it were my organization.

Now, with the internet, cnn.com might report it. I might be browsing Alpha Beta's website and see where they pulled a charter due to hazing. There are websites dedicated to anti-hazing where I can read the incident. And, of course, it will be reported on GC.

So, while I think hazing trends may naturally go up and down, I think it is our increased access to the information that makes it seem it is on the upswing.

[Tinia2]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

I think one of the reasons that there seems to be an upswing in hazing is because of the internet.

Now, hear me out: Before the internet, most of our news sources were national/local tv news, radio, and newspapers. With the internet, we now have more access to news sources.

In the past, a hazing incident would be reported in local news. It would only make a national news source if it were particularly horrific. If a hazing incident happened in Florida, I might only hear about it if it were my organization.

Now, with the internet, cnn.com might report it. I might be browsing Alpha Beta's website and see where they pulled a charter due to hazing. There are websites dedicated to anti-hazing where I can read the incident. And, of course, it will be reported on GC.

So, while I think hazing trends may naturally go up and down, I think it is our increased access to the information that makes it seem it is on the upswing.

I agree^^^^. All one has to do see this is pick any search engine and place the term "hazing" into the news section. Right now there are at least 3 reports of hazing going around.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

"paper" pledging.

oxymoron for 1000 alex?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by starang21

oxymoron for 1000 alex?

[RU OX Alum]

what is "paper" pledging? You pledge "paper"? (Meaning money, i.e, you just promise to pay dues and you're in?)