Is Hazing making a comeback?

[Senusret I]

Just for clarity, pledging and hazing are two different things. Both are forbidden in my fraternity, but they will get you different sanctions.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Just for clarity, pledging and hazing are two different things. Both are forbidden in my fraternity, but they will get you different sanctions.

Then.. what do you classify as "pledging"?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Just for clarity, pledging and hazing are two different things. Both are forbidden in my fraternity, but they will get you different sanctions.

In the NPHC world, those may be two different things, but for the purpose of NPC groups, any "pledging" being discussed by these chapters is essentially hazing. Trust me, they aren't discussing the predetermined New Member education programs of their organizations!

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

In the NPHC world, those may be two different things, but for the purpose of NPC groups, any "pledging" being discussed by these chapters is essentially hazing. Trust me, they aren't discussing the predetermined New Member education programs of their organizations!

I understand that.

If the distinction was made between hazing (as a crime) and organizational membership infractions, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in with "everything" being considered hazing.

Each organization should have the power to determine their own rules without essentially watering down the meaning of hazing.

I blame Hank Nuwer and them, too.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I understand that.

If the distinction was made between hazing (as a crime) and organizational membership infractions, then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in with "everything" being considered hazing.

Each organization should have the power to determine their own rules without essentially watering down the meaning of hazing.

I blame Hank Nuwer and them, too.

One of the main problems is that universities don't distinguish between the two. You can get kicked off campus for both, so GLOs don't have the opportunity to handle these things internally.

[Langox510x]

Well I was hazed, but at least I wasn't beat into my orginization like my dad was many years ago.

[1914blue1920]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Just for clarity, pledging and hazing are two different things. Both are forbidden in my fraternity, but they will get you different sanctions.

How are they forbidden in your frat? Hazing is mental and physical abuse to be initiated into an org, and a pledge is your solemn oath to be loyal to that org. So you didnt pledge to be loyal to your frat?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 1914blue1920

How are they forbidden in your frat? Hazing is mental and physical abuse to be initiated into an org, and a pledge is your solemn oath to be loyal to that org. So you didnt pledge to be loyal to your frat?

You know what he means.