School Daze question. - Page 17

DSTRen13 · #**241** 08-23-2006, 07:27 PM

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Yeah, once again, in the minds of people on here, being a conservative=racist, redneck.

It's entirely possible for those things to be separate. Rednecks usually are conservative and racist. (They're really proud of it.) But there are conservatives who aren't rednecks and who aren't racist. (For example, my parents.) And there are racists who aren't rednecks and who aren't conservatives. (I met quite a lot of these in NYC recently. It was disturbing.) Most of the "fratty" posters on GC seem to be conservatives who are not rednecks but who are racist and are just in denial about it for some reason or another.

bows&toes · #**242** 08-23-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm pretty sure there are a couple examples of when minorities have not been admitted to fraternity parties and then have gotten violent. I could be wrong, this is just how it appears to me...

Such as the incident @ Oklahoma State when black fraternity members (pretty sure it was "Qdawgs") weren't allowed into a sorority function and proceeded to shooting pistols through the front door and shooting up a few girls....

Sometimes different cultures just don't mix in certain situations, go ahead pull the race card and call me a racist because I'm not afraid to say it how it is...

pinkies up · #**243** 08-23-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

Such as the incident @ Oklahoma State when black fraternity members (pretty sure it was "Qdawgs") weren't allowed into a sorority function and proceeded to shooting pistols through the front door and shooting up a few girls....

Sometimes different cultures just don't mix in certain situations, go ahead pull the race card and call me a racist because I'm not afraid to say it how it is...

It has nothing to do with the "mixing of cultures". Every race has some stupid people. We all agree with that. What you just explained was some stupid people doing a stupid thing. The fact they were black fraternity members has nothing to do with the incident. What if they were white fraternity members?

shinerbock · #**244** 08-23-2006, 07:40 PM

I don't think anyone is making blanket statements about black people or black fraternities...But the subject was brought up (of black people in college towns not being admitted into a bar or party and violence following), and its happened several times.

pinkies up · #**245** 08-23-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I don't think anyone is making blanket statements about black people or black fraternities...But the subject was brought up (of black people in college towns not being admitted into a bar or party and violence following), and its happened several times.

HELLOOOO, it's 2006! You can't say "Black people can't come into a public bar". WTF is up with that? Again, if white people shot the place up, would you feel the same way?

DSTRen13 · #**246** 08-23-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

Such as the incident @ Oklahoma State when black fraternity members (pretty sure it was "Qdawgs") weren't allowed into a sorority function and proceeded to shooting pistols through the front door and shooting up a few girls....

Sometimes different cultures just don't mix in certain situations, go ahead pull the race card and call me a racist because I'm not afraid to say it how it is...

I've had plenty of experiences with lots of different cultures mixing where no one was shot at and everyone seemed to be getting along just fine - but you're right, if the people involved don't really want it to work, it won't.

By the way, could you perhaps post a link or something to a report on this shooting incident you keep referring to?

shinerbock · #**247** 08-23-2006, 07:59 PM

I don't know about the Ok St. one... I know about a fraternity in atlanta that were threatened by a couple guys with guns, and I think a kid got stabbed at Alabama a few years back...basically resulting from black people being turned away from parties. Maybe somebody on here know more they can tell you.

Regarding the public bar thing, I highly doubt it was because they were simply black. If somebody walked up looking thugged out (for example, the type of person who would SHOOT AT PEOPLE), I wouldnt want them in my bar either.

pinkies up · #**248** 08-23-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I don't know about the Ok St. one... I know about a fraternity in atlanta that were threatened by a couple guys with guns, and I think a kid got stabbed at Alabama a few years back...basically resulting from black people being turned away from parties. Maybe somebody on here know more they can tell you.

Regarding the public bar thing, I highly doubt it was because they were simply black. If somebody walked up looking thugged out (for example, the type of person who would SHOOT AT PEOPLE), I wouldnt want them in my bar either.

Did Timothy McVeigh look like a terrorist? You can't judge a person by what clothes they wear. You still haven't asked my question; what if it were white people that were shooting? Would you then not allow white people to your parties, or would you just dismiss it as a "drunken fraternity act"?

greekalum · #**249** 08-23-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm pretty sure he was saying that the black guy got kicked out of a bar (I'm presuming mostly white) and then proceeding to shoot the couple. Basically, I think his point was that when you mix very different cultures, sometimes messed up things happen. I'm pretty sure there are a couple examples of when minorities have not been admitted to fraternity parties and then have gotten violent. I could be wrong, this is just how it appears to me...

Yep, that race mixing sure is a problem. Shame Strom wasn't elected back in '48; we could have avoided so much!

greekalum · #**250** 08-23-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

Sometimes different cultures just don't mix in certain situations, go ahead pull the race card and call me a racist because I'm not afraid to say it how it is...

If you think "how it is"= need for segregation, then, yes, you are a racist.

shinerbock · #**251** 08-23-2006, 08:13 PM

Strom, what a great guy.

What if white people were shooting up parties? I don't see how that has anything to do with black people getting violent after being turned away. Also, who ever said we were using those incidents as reasons to deny black people entrance to places? You're attempting to make this conversation into something its not.

As for Timothy McVeigh, hell yeah he looked like a terrorist. Also, the reason I wouldnt want thug looking people in my bar isn't because of violence, although that could be a viable secondary reason...but I wouldnt want that in my bar because I'd wanna keep it as classy as possible (for a bar). ALSO, white people dressed like thugs wouldnt be allowed either, in this bar of mine.

greekalum · #**252** 08-23-2006, 08:21 PM

No, white kids just shoot at random.

C'mon, aren't you supposed to be a lawyer in training? We can throw anecdotal evidence at each other all day, it won't prove your point that race mixing leads to violence.

pinkies up · #**253** 08-23-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Also, the reason I wouldnt want thug looking people in my bar isn't because of violence, although that could be a viable secondary reason...but I wouldnt want that in my bar because I'd wanna keep it as classy as possible (for a bar).

Ummm, yeah. You are very classy. With your crisp white hood and that flamin' cross. Yeah. Now that's class!

shinerbock · #**254** 08-23-2006, 09:30 PM

greek, when did I say that? I said it can happen, and obviously it can, because it does. I'm not really trying to prove a point here. It was brought up, so I made a comment.

Pinkies up, another brilliant response from you. Always appreciated.

macallan25 · #**255** 08-23-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up

Did Timothy McVeigh look like a terrorist? You can't judge a person by what clothes they wear. You still haven't asked my question; what if it were white people that were shooting? Would you then not allow white people to your parties, or would you just dismiss it as a "drunken fraternity act"?

I was at the incident in Alabama. It was a predominantly white bar....mainly because of location, type of bar....etc. The black guy was causing problems so the bouncer kicked him out....then he tried to come back and was denied. Then he brought back a gun and shot some people.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen with white people.......I was using the story to go along with Shinerbocks post a while back.