School Daze question.

[shinerbock]

Well a lot of organizations today are considered sororities and fraternities that historically wouldnt be viewed as such. For example, I mostly only view IFC and NPC groups as actual fraternities and sororities. Let people think as they will i suppose.

[ProPhetic1]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well a lot of organizations today are considered sororities and fraternities that historically wouldnt be viewed as such. For example, I mostly only view IFC and NPC groups as actual fraternities and sororities. Let people think as they will i suppose.

So what about people whose organizations are apart of the NPHC, MCGC or any other council thats out there.

[brownsugar952]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well a lot of organizations today are considered sororities and fraternities that historically wouldnt be viewed as such. For example, I mostly only view IFC and NPC groups as actual fraternities and sororities. Let people think as they will i suppose.

I think that is fair because there are a lot of people in NPHC/MGLO don't view IFC and NPC groups as real sororities and fraternities.

[shinerbock]

Well see yeah it probably goes both ways. Its not that I really have made a conscious decision to disregard locals or NPHC or the other abbreviation, which I assumes meant multi-cultural something... but rather that I just haven't seen much to really place them on the same level as NPC and IFC groups. I'm sure its different everywhere, but I just haven't come in too much contact with them. I know some NPHC groups have strong tradition, which is really what is required for me to consider the group "real" i guess, but basically the closest to that where I went to school would be like a third annual stepshow or something. I imagine at schools where NPHC groups are more established, they have much stronger traditions. Regarding the multi-cultural groups, I do have an issue with these. Not to say that they couldn't fit my description of a "real" greek org, but moreso that the ones I've seen are fairly new and don't really have any legacy to speak of. They generally take anyone who walks in the door, and having a incredibly diverse group isn't what I think of when I think about greek orgs. But like I said, its different everywhere, and my opinions can only be based on what i've been exposed to.

[ProPhetic1]

I can agree with that, but in my dealings with fraternities & sororities in the IFC or NPC I see them doing alot of partying. They do more donations as oppose to actual community service where the members of the other 2 councils excell @.

[shinerbock]

Well, writing checks has its place as well. Now, I agree about the multicultural being very service oriented, but hadnt really seen that among the NPHC. I'm sure they do their share, but I just didn't notice them doing more than the white groups. But even if this is very true, I don't really think of them as "greek." While community service is obviously of the highest value, it is not a prereq for being a "real" greek org in my opinion. When I think greek, I think of groups where the focus is almost entirely on forming the bonds between members, in addition to helping bring those members into adulthood. I'm obviously not saying they're better that more service oriented groups, but I consider service groups to be just that, rather than greek organizations.

[Intense1920]

LMAO @ people who don't do any kind of research.

[ProspeKt]

Originally Posted by Intense1920

LMAO @ people who don't do any kind of research.

What's really funny is the fakt that they speak on an issue as if they have.

[Shortfuse]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well see yeah it probably goes both ways. Its not that I really have made a conscious decision to disregard locals or NPHC or the other abbreviation, which I assumes meant multi-cultural something... but rather that I just haven't seen much to really place them on the same level as NPC and IFC groups. I'm sure its different everywhere, but I just haven't come in too much contact with them. I know some NPHC groups have strong tradition, which is really what is required for me to consider the group "real" i guess, but basically the closest to that where I went to school would be like a third annual stepshow or something. I imagine at schools where NPHC groups are more established, they have much stronger traditions. Regarding the multi-cultural groups, I do have an issue with these. Not to say that they couldn't fit my description of a "real" greek org, but moreso that the ones I've seen are fairly new and don't really have any legacy to speak of. They generally take anyone who walks in the door, and having a incredibly diverse group isn't what I think of when I think about greek orgs. But like I said, its different everywhere, and my opinions can only be based on what i've been exposed to.

[shinerbock]

You can stop reading any time you wish. I sincerely apologize if I don't give credibility to every house that claims "We're a fraternity!" But then, I haven't had Being Non-Offensive 1100 yet, so I'm still thinking for myself here. Hopefully one day I'll have the ability to simply regurgitate more inclusive opinions that are sure not to offend or hold any legitimacy, but until then, you'll just have to fight through the "stupidity" of my posts.

[Shortfuse]

What's offensive is that the fact you're willing to say this AND admit that you haven't seen any (i.e. not come in contact with) of the other orgs.

Heck if you seen them and feel that way then that's your opinion and although folks would feel (know) that you're wrong you still have the right to form an opinion. Right now you're saying that you don't "considered" them on your orgs level because you haven't seen much.

I haven't heard of yoru org until today but I wouldn't go as far as to say what you're saying.


So tell me is it true? Is ignorance really as blissful as they say?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by brownsugar952

I think that is fair because there are a lot of people in NPHC/MGLO don't view IFC and NPC groups as real sororities and fraternities.

BrownSugar, that was very much on point and very much true! So as much as I hear people complaining about what Shinerbock is saying, it is no different than what I have heard people in NPHC/MCGLO and other groups say about NIC/NPC groups.

What goes around comes around.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

BrownSugar, that was very much on point and very much true! So as much as I hear people complaining about what Shinerbock is saying, it is no different than what I have heard people in NPHC/MCGLO and other groups say about NIC/NPC groups.

Those people, if they are actually serious instead of just trying to clown, are idiots.

Regardless of people's opinions of the differences between the organizations, there is no denying that the NPHC, NIC, IFC, or whatever other umbrella organization does not have a monopoly over "fraternity and sorority."

[shinerbock]

Shortfuse, I'm afraid your attempt at a rational post came out poorly. I think what you're accusing me of is being ignorant because I don't view them as true greek organizations even when I haven't had a great deal of contact with them. Here is where literacy would be to your benefit. If you reread my posts, you'll see that on several occasions I note that my opinions are just that, and that they are based solely on what I have been exposed to. AT MY SCHOOL, NPHC groups are only the same or less likely to do charitable work. We don't really have any multi cultural groups, and if we do they obviously have little influence. On a similar note, the one or two local groups we have do not have any influence, prominant alumni, or history to speak of. Thus, I do not consider them on the same level with the large historic IFC and NPC groups who have all of those aforementioned qualities. I think my interpretation of NPHC groups, or classification, would have to be something more like "black greek life," because it is so distinctive from most IFC and NPC groups I've been around. If they want to term my way of greek life "white greek life" they can, although I imagine we've been at it longer. It is all based on perspective, so my interpretation of what greek life is need not offend anyone, as it is not intended to do so.

[ProPhetic1]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I think my interpretation of NPHC groups, or classification, would have to be something more like "black greek life," because it is so distinctive from most IFC and NPC groups I've been around. If they want to term my way of greek life "white greek life" they can, although I imagine we've been at it longer. It is all based on perspective, so my interpretation of what greek life is need not offend anyone, as it is not intended to do so.

Most of the NPHC groups have been around for close to 100 yrs now. Im not sure how long your org has been around but there is a lot of tradition with NPHC groups as well.