Hierarchy on GC?

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by cashmoney
So if a few different groups of friends here decide to complain about posts made by certain people, it's ok for their posts to be deleted and/or banned? But if one person finds one of the other posts to be flamatory or offensive, and the mod doesn't feel the same, nothing should happen? Regardless of whether or not the posts in question did in fact break GC rules/terms of agreement? So basically all your saying is that if enough people complain about person X, he/she will have something done to them. But if person X feels the same about one them, since he's the only one complaining they then get away with stuff?

Essentially, yes. GC is not a democracy, and I don't understand what led you to believe it was. The board is run the way John and the mods think it should be run. If you don't agree with that, that's fine -- but that's the way things are here, and things are unlikely to change unless the mods and John decide they agree with you.

Originally posted by cashmoney
If you want to talk about policy, read the terms of agreement and see how many here break them. From your post it seems as though you're ok with an hierarchy. I would assume you're ok with that because you're one of the people who has in the past got away with a lot of stuff. And that would be correct. A lot of people who get away with a lot of stuff have steered clear from posting in this thread, mainly non-mods.

The terms of service do not run this site. John and the mods run this site. If they do not find something offensive, even if it breaks the terms of service, it's unlikely to get deleted. And of course I've gotten away with things that break the terms of service. For example, if Kath and I were new members of GC who stopped by the board and posted some of the things that we've posted in the "Southern" threads, for example, we probably would have gotten flamed and the threads would have been locked. But since we've been around a while and most of the GC-ers know that we're either exaggerating, kidding or just poking fun at them, very few people got offended. Should we be treated the same way that a new member would be treated for the same thing? I don't think so. Like I said before, context is everything.

I don't think there's a person on this site with at least a hundred posts who hasn't gotten away with some violation of the terms of service.

[Frat_Boy951]

Very interesting....................

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Cashmoney, I'm guessing you really don't want to name names here, but I for one think that it would be helpful to understand your problem if I knew exactly what you're talking about when you make these references. Obviously I'm not a mod, and I don't feel that I'm part of any hierarchy or clique, and I'm a little lost. I can't say that I've ever had a problem with any of the bannings that have happened here, but I'm sure there are many posts that have been deleted (or maybe ones that should've been, according to others) and I just haven't seen them.

In other words, if you can point me to specific threads with specific offensive posts, I could better understand you.

BTW, this is one of the most interesting threads that's been in chit chat for a while.

Ditto to everything that valkyrie wrote.

cashmoney, I guess I need everything to be clearly spelled out for me understand what exactly you mean. I think that if you have a problem with a post, report it to a moderator. If the moderator doesn't respond, PM John. You should also consider that what is offensive to you, might not be offensive to someone else. The post might not be deleted. I don't think that it has anything to do with a hierarchy as much as it has to do with individual tastes and sensitivities.

[kddani]

One thing I don't understand and perhaps someone can answer........

People seem to want things both ways.

You want the mods to enforce against everyone.

But then you (that's a collective "you") b!tch and moan whenever threads get locked, etc. I.e. when the mod's moderating as they're supposed to.

A lot of you say you admire the way the NPHC forums run, how the moderators keep things in check.

However, if chit-chat, GL, and others were run like that you'd all have a fit and say that GC's no fun anymore.

So essentially many people are talking out of both sides of their mouth...

Additionally: being a mod is a volunteer thing. There are NO perks (no free food or concert tickets, heck, can't even put it on a resume) and if anything it's just more headaches.

There's no pay, but you can feel free to Paypal me your donation and I will see that it's distributed. Hehe

[AXJules]

Originally posted by Hootie
Are You Greek

For all of you wondering who this person is.......this was on page 3.....am I taking crazy pills again or did we already cover this?????????????????

[Frat_Boy951]

Originally posted by AXJules
For all of you wondering who this person is.......this was on page 3.....am I taking crazy pills again or did we already cover this?????????????????

I think you ARE taking crazy pills, why would somebody who isnt greek post here?????

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by AXJules
For all of you wondering who this person is.......this was on page 3.....am I taking crazy pills again or did we already cover this?????????????????

I have no idea who it is.

[AXJules]

Originally posted by James
Actually the poster Cashmoney makes a good and intellegent argument. Many of which are right on. I am not sure how rectifiable the situation is, or even how urgent it is.

The people that have posted on topic, on both sides of the issue, have done a pretty good job of stating their positions.

I am just not sure what anyone wants to come of it.

1. Is there favoritism on GC? Absolutely.

2. Are there people that hate other people on GC and will talk badly about them at any given opportunity? Absolutely.

3. Are there cliques on GC? Absolutely.

4. Are some of the cliques pretty negative? Subjective, but absolutely.

5. Are there IM/Pm networks of people that share hatred of people? Absolutely.

6. Are there really nice people that enjoy GC? Absolutely.

7. Are there people that don't get involved in the silly stuff on here, or even care about it? Absolutely. Probably 80 percent of the posters.

Hey James, you forgot a position....
8. Are there people who lie about their identities, personas, and oh, I don't know, age???? Without question.

I'm surprised that one slipped your mind.......

[AXJules]

Originally posted by Cream
I have no idea who it is.

Cream I quoted it- that's the persons name

[PM_Mama00]

I keep lookin at page 3 and see nothing cept the Icy Hot Stuntaz, some fat guys, and Justin Timbo. Is it Justin?

[decadence]

--You want the mods to enforce against everyone. But then you (that's a collective "you") b!tch and moan whenever threads get locked, etc. I.e. when the mod's moderating as they're supposed to.--
I think people were saying it's question of balance. Exactly the same theme applies to the comment in a post prior to yours suggesting all members with >100 post counts have probably posted an item along the way which didn't fit in with the rules. Probably true. I suppose moderation is important to ensure we can all chat happily. If draconian moderation was present to such a degree people could not talk at all and discussion was hampered that'd be different. But I don't think that's what anyone wants/asks.

--A lot of you say you admire the way the NPHC forums run, how the moderators keep things in check.--
Hmm. In fairness many of those forums do have several moderators with settings for that forum, which splits the workload for them.

As far as any 'rules don't run the site' comments elsewhere, of COURSE there is discretion and personal insight/experience used in moderating; that's how non-automated moderation is an effective tool. But the discussion is [partly] about moderators enforcing/applying the rules enough to encourage and promote discussion and keep things from getting horrible. Suggesting the Rules are enforced to the nth degree on every post all the time 24/7 could be seen as ... silly.
The thread was more about not so much the moderators not seeing a post as a problem when another has... but more about them not seeing it as a problem due to its origin not its content.

*Moderator in this reply can be substituted for frequently posting member since the thread is about people getting lambasted because of a posited hierarchy consisting of all sorts of users. Not just moderators. *

[FiReKraCkEr]

Originally posted by AXJules
Hey James, you forgot a position....
8. Are there people who lie about their identities, personas, and oh, I don't know, age???? Without question.

I'm surprised that one slipped your mind.......

ROTFLMAO!!!! Holy Moly you crack me up girl!!!

[AXJules]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
I keep lookin at page 3 and see nothing cept the Icy Hot Stuntaz, some fat guys, and Justin Timbo. Is it Justin?

LMAO I hope you're kiddding....

Actually it's Stuntaz #1....

[PM_Mama00]

Jules.... clean out ur PM box girlie!

[AXJules]

i erased some stuff....does anyone know if items in another folder take up space? what about in your sent folder???