any "nice" conservatives out there?

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by KSig RC
In fact, regardless of which version of the 10 Commandments you use (or did you not know there were multiples?), few match up to things that are illegal in the US. In fact, I'll argue that probably the only 'legislation by

There was originally 15 Commandments, Moses dropped 5 of them by mistake.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by KSig RC
This is why adultery is not illegal.

Actually, it still is a criminal offense (rarely enforced) in some states, and it used to be illegal in most states.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by moe.ron
There was originally 15 Commandments, Moses dropped 5 of them by mistake.

That wasn't Moses, that was Mel Brooks.

[Rudey]

Moe.ron you have shut down and locked threads with very few posts all in the name of "avoiding conflicts" and yada, yada.

How come you haven't closed this one down?

-Rudey
--I was just wondering

[sugar and spice]

He shuts them down if they include personal attacks. As much as people have whined about it, there haven't been any in this thread.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
He shuts them down if they include personal attacks. As much as people have whined about it, there haven't been any in this thread.

No actually he doesn't always. He has shut down threads for less and kept this open.

-Rudey
--But then again, I asked Moe.ron and not you.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Moe.ron you have shut down and locked threads with very few posts all in the name of "avoiding conflicts" and yada, yada.

How come you haven't closed this one down?

-Rudey
--I was just wondering

Because I'm not in the mood this week to shut it down. Maybe next week. Who knows.

Back to the topic.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Because I'm not in the mood this week to shut it down. Maybe next week. Who knows.

Back to the topic.

Good. I just wanted to see what your mood was before my posts started getting more prolific.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Good. I just wanted to see what your mood was before my posts started getting more prolific.

-Rudey

Good deal. Feeling very libetarian today. Tommorow, I might pull a North Korea.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Can you back this up?

Which Muslim nations do offer freedom of religion?

Definitely not Iran nor Saudi Arabia. In fact those are very repressive nations as are most Muslim nations.

And the United States is steeped in a Christian heritage and will continue to be so for quite a bit in the future. Why shouldn't it? Most of Europe is too.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Which Muslim nations do offer freedom of religion?

Definitely not Iran nor Saudi Arabia. In fact those are very repressive nations as are most Muslim nations.

And the United States is steeped in a Christian heritage and will continue to be so for quite a bit in the future. Why shouldn't it? Most of Europe is too.

-Rudey

Malaysia

Although not technically an islamic nation, Indonesia guaranteed freedom of religion.

I would argue that Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic country. It is a monarchy.

I would even go further and say there is no Islamic country, if we mean that the entire judicial and government system is based on the Qur'an.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Malaysia

Although not technically an islamic nation, Indonesia guaranteed freedom of religion.

I would argue that Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic country. It is a monarchy.

I would even go further and say there is no Islamic country, if we mean that the entire judicial and government system is based on the Qur'an.

Ummm so Indonesia isn't an Islamic nation or is it?

I don't really know why you want to argue against an established fact. Saudi Arabia's citizens are 100% Muslim and it is governed according to Shari'a. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/sa.html

And so in your last line you say there are no Islamic countries but in your first line Indonesia/Malaysia might be? Choose.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Ummm so Indonesia isn't an Islamic nation or is it?

I don't really know why you want to argue against an established fact. Saudi Arabia's citizens are 100% Muslim and it is governed according to Shari'a. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/sa.html

And so in your last line you say there are no Islamic countries but in your first line Indonesia/Malaysia might be? Choose.

-Rudey

If I use her definition on what constitution a nation being religious based nation, then Indonesia is. According to her, the US is a Christian nation. Then, Indonesia is an Islamic nation. However, if we go technical, neither the US is a Christian nation nor Indonesia. US is a secular nation that prohibit the estbalishment of religion by the government. For Indonesia, it's not entirely true. There is a ministry of religion. It is has little power and is more of a think tank. However, it is funded by the taxpayer. There is also a Shari'a court in some district. The Shari'a court can be over turned by the "regular court."

Back to the topic, Indonesia guarantees religious freedom according to its constitution.

Article 29 - Section 2: The State guarantees all persons the freedom of worship, each according to his/her own religion or belief.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
Actually, it still is a criminal offense (rarely enforced) in some states, and it used to be illegal in most states.

I was referring mostly to federal law - obviously the 'rape and assault' portion moved from there, but regardless, a few random state laws created far after the framers does not a point disprove, no?

I'm assuming you're not arguing the central point, which was that the laws were based more on 'infringing upon others' than 'what the Bible says is wrong'.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Rudey
And the United States is steeped in a Christian heritage and will continue to be so for quite a bit in the future. Why shouldn't it? Most of Europe is too.

This is true, but barely even tangential to the argument. The foundation of the US was certainly not steeped in the principles of Christianity, which is what we're trying to relay to Conniebama here.

The overwhelming majority of the US has been Christian since its inception, and no one's arguing the influence or power of that bloc - actually I immediately retract . . . I'm not arguing that. Others are, which is pretty wrong.