Indiana University Recruitment 2017

[AZTheta]

Please - someone - clarify "placement rate". IUpnmmom, not attacking you! This comes up periodically in other threads, and I have asked for clarification before.

If PNMs voluntarily withdraw from recruitment, then (to my mind) they should not be counted in the analysis. There are (in all probability) other PNMs who are released by all chapters after the first round, as well. We know that happens (usually grade related releases).

Instead, I'd like to see the data reported as # of bids extended, and # of bids accepted. That would be a more accurate and realistic "placement rate". I would like to know how others think "placement rate" should be described. Thanks!

[Titchou]

True! Some schools do a good job of reporting all information: #signed up, #at convo or first round, # offered bids and # accepted. Unfortunately, most do not.

[lauralaylin]

Anyone know how Alpha Phi did?

[IUAnon]

Originally Posted by lauralaylin

Anyone know how Alpha Phi did?

Alpha Phi took 54

[FSUZeta]

That is a thumbs up.

[AZTheta]

About mandatory policies: you can lead a horse to water...

IMO, if the sororities don't accept invitations, and instead break that pattern of XYZ only pairs with DEF (for example), that's going to make a difference. I have seen it happen. It rattles a few cages, for sure. But the sun still rises in the east.

The women do have a whole lot more power, if you get my drift here.

And I think it's not just Indiana. It's endemic to sororities and fraternities at many campuses.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

About mandatory policies: you can lead a horse to water...

IMO, if the sororities don't accept invitations, and instead break that pattern of XYZ only pairs with DEF (for example), that's going to make a difference. I have seen it happen. It rattles a few cages, for sure. But the sun still rises in the east.

The women do have a whole lot more power, if you get my drift here.

And I think it's not just Indiana. It's endemic to sororities and fraternities at many campuses.

Here, here!

[AZTheta]

^^^ me too.

And, frankly, I'm tired of Indiana. Seems like no one is going to be happy until - what? I don't know. But I suspect Cheerio is hitting the mark on this one.

My statement may not be Panhellenic or PC or whatever. It is my opinion, and you don't have to agree or even respect it (the opinion). I squawked about bed rush. They changed it. Duly noted. Progress! It's not a toggle switch, folks. And further, the popular houses are not going to take every single PNM who wants to be a member. Neither are the unpopular houses. So, the decision is simple for the PNMs, and again, I agree with Cheerio. I can see the rationale behind what clemsongirl shared. Again, I get irritated with the "one size fits all" mentality. It might be a good idea at some campuses, but not at others.

[AZTheta]

33, in this thread, we're looking at Indiana.

My understanding from information presented is that Panhellenic set the quota for the chapters prior to recruitment (and ForeverRoses can confirm, as well as other Indiana members here). It was up to the individual chapters to exceed it, if they so chose (so chose sounds horrible when you read it aloud, so please eliminate it from that sentence, dear editor).

Snap bids at Indiana? I don't know. I'm leaving that to our Indiana members to address.

Now, if you are asking about chapters in general, it's still true: quota is set - oh gosh, there are many threads about how quota is set and I understand it but I sure don't want to write the wrong thing here. It's in the Green Book, too.

[AZTheta]

Titchou: Jinx!

[Titchou]

33 - read the Green Book. There are links here to it. You'll learn a lot.

[33girl]

I'm talking about Indiana obviously, not every other school on the planet. No one else sets a minimum quota prior to rush.

Supposedly a couple groups set their quota quite a bit higher than the mandated 55. I'm just confused as to why they would do that. If I'm all wet about this, IU people please let me know.

Another Indiana question: do they have anything resembling a campus total at present?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by IUpnmmom

While I understand that many IU PNM do not maximize their options.

I feel that the above statement is more of the driving force at IU! I would like to see Mandatory Policy of ALL Fraternities having pairs on a rotation system. This would stop many girls from just dropping out all together. Just because they received invites from lower tier sororities. Once this stops, maybe we can obtain a better idea of statistics for recruitment. Just a thought...........

Originally Posted by 33girl

Another Indiana question: do they have anything resembling a campus total at present?

A couple of comments came to mind while catching up on this thread today. As Clemsongirl wrote, there are campuses who are considering making the move to only two chapters for preference. I know of one SEC campus that has been discussing making this move for next year. I think that two is a good idea even on large campuses. I think three complicates the matter, sometimes.

To answer 33girl: No, IU does not have chapter total. They do calculate average chapter size and some of the GLOs on campus uses it as a gauge for their chapter's success.

Now about this random pairing idea, I have been for it for many years. The concept works other places, it might not go over well at first but after a few years Greeks would get used to it. I know there would be a few details to iron out, but I believe it's possible.

I hope that this year's recruitment brings about some lasting change. Going to quota/total would be a good start.

[ivyrose2]

If I understand the system correctly at IU, PMN's have to visit the houses of groups they know that they are not interested in (must visit everyone on their list or be dropped from recruitment). I get the reason for this, and know that over time some will "warm up" to a group that they would not otherwise be interested in, but that also means that there are PMN's who spend several days walking across campus to visit XYZ and ABC knowing that there is no way they would put them on a bid card period. (I can imagine for some houses it can also get a little discouraging to rush girls who visit and are not excited about having to be there). But, when it comes to "maximizing" and why some PMN's won't "maximize", PMN's can be required to visit houses but I'm not a fan of putting a group you don't want to belong to on a bid card. The bid card is serious business-if you don't want to be a member of that group, you shouldn't list them. And, I hope they keep 3 preference parties! It is helpful for PMN's who go into the final week undecided to be able to visit 3 groups and for the smaller groups, a PMN that might not rank them first before preference could change their mind once they've attended!

[Titchou]

RFM requires attending all parties for which you are scheduled on every campus, not just IU. And IU isn't the only school with 3 prefs either.

Just clarifying the information.