9 Charged after girl kills herself over bullying

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That's funny because our middle school and high school teachers told us to sit our asses down in the 80s and 90s. Perhaps it doesn't work that way now with these entitled kids of the Internet generation.

But, badass kids were not rare in many of these school systems. Teachers and administration knew how to handle them (with some exceptions) and everyone knew that if YOUR child is a badass, take their badass out of school OR get over the fact that an adult will borderline cuss out your child. There are plenty of ways to instill power and authority without stooping to a child's level--but, some kids NEED their asses handed to them through rough talk and/or embarassment. That's the only way that they'll believe that fat meat is greasy.

Parents and administration can't have it both ways. You either control these badass kids or give teachers the clear to damn near cuss their asses out. You can fuss at the teacher for doing it, but acknowledge that the teacher should've have HAD to do that and YOU dropped the ball somewhere.

A resounding, "hell yeah" to the part in bold.

But you know, in the 80's and 90's, kids weren't cussing the teachers out the way they are now. If it happened, it was handled quickly and the situation was corrected. Plus I think in general there was more respect and appreciation for teachers back then. Now students almost seem to have the mentality that teachers are there to do THEIR bidding. And with the lack of support shown by admins, students feel like they can do anything and the admins will be so scared of the parents that they will allow the students to get away with murder. It's sick.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

A resounding, "hell yeah" to the part in bold.

But you know, in the 80's and 90's, kids weren't cussing the teachers out the way they are now. If it happened, it was handled quickly and the situation was corrected. Plus I think in general there was more respect and appreciation for teachers back then. Now students almost seem to have the mentality that teachers are there to do THEIR bidding. And with the lack of support shown by admins, students feel like they can do anything and the admins will be so scared of the parents that they will allow the students to get away with murder. It's sick.

Agree with the bolded.

I really want to know what caused the shift from that mentality (semi)recently.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Agree with the bolded.

I really want to know what caused the shift form that mentality (semi)recently.

Me too.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Agree with the bolded.

I really want to know what caused the shift from that mentality (semi)recently.

Pamela Smart? Carolyn Warmus?

I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not.

I think it started when the majority of kids' parents were no longer factory workers or secretaries, but were college educated. (Whether they were doing a job that they were educated for was irrelevant.) People no longer thought "well, (s)he went to school for 4 years to do this, (s)he must be right."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

A resounding, "hell yeah" to the part in bold.

But you know, in the 80's and 90's, kids weren't cussing the teachers out the way they are now. If it happened, it was handled quickly and the situation was corrected. Plus I think in general there was more respect and appreciation for teachers back then. Now students almost seem to have the mentality that teachers are there to do THEIR bidding. And with the lack of support shown by admins, students feel like they can do anything and the admins will be so scared of the parents that they will allow the students to get away with murder. It's sick.

Hmmmmm. Maybe. I would like to say kids were better back then, but it is probably THAT combined with what I was saying earlier:

These were badass nonwhite kids, most of whom in public schools and that includes nonwhite kids of different social classes. When nonwhite kids do stuff, society points to the defiency of the nonwhite cultures and the nonwhite populations. When the white kids begin to do stuff, or what they do receives more attention, the majority white society of America (in terms of population size and power dynamics) points to society and questions why society is changing and/or failing.

Therefore, this is about sooooo much more than "mean bullies" and "why schools are failing." What's embedded in this topic is "mean white bullies" and "why majority white schools are failing." Does this matter? YES because some of our responses in this thread may be seen as an absence of compassion and outrage over the general topic. Instead, I see some of our responses as more of a "same shit, different toilet...let's get beyond the fluff and get to the REAL issue." I can't be shocked and awed over something that isn't so new--except for the fact that the Internet and white perpetrators are added to the equation.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hmmmmm. Maybe. I would like to say kids were better back then, but it is probably THAT combined with what I was saying earlier:

These were badass nonwhite kids, most of whom in public schools and that includes nonwhite kids of different social classes. When nonwhite kids do stuff, society points to the defiency of the nonwhite cultures and the nonwhite populations. When the white kids begin to do stuff, or what they do receives more attention, the majority white society of America (in terms of population size and power dynamics) points to society and questions why society is changing and/or failing.

Therefore, this is about sooooo much more than "mean bullies" and "why schools are failing." What's embedded in this topic is "mean white bullies" and "why majority white schools are failing." Does this matter? YES because some of our responses in this thread may be seen as an absence of compassion and outrage over the general topic. Instead, I see some of our responses as more of a "same shit, different toilet...let's get beyond the fluff and get to the REAL issue." I can't be shocked and awed over something that isn't so new--except for the fact that the Internet and white perpetrators are added to the equation.

Well said.

(Waiting for someone to find something "racist" about your comment.)

[als463]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Pamela Smart? Carolyn Warmus?

I'm kind of joking, but I'm kind of not.

I think it started when the majority of kids' parents were no longer factory workers or secretaries, but were college educated. (Whether they were doing a job that they were educated for was irrelevant.) People no longer thought "well, (s)he went to school for 4 years to do this, (s)he must be right."

I have to say that I agree with your entire post. I do think that the more educated our society becomes, the less they tend to agree with the teachers because some parents think they are right (since they are equally educated). In fact, I think there are many people out there, sadly, that look at teaching and the education field as a "fall back" option if they don't find the job that they want. Even with all the red-tape you need to cut through to become a teacher in this day and age, teaching has almost lost its prestige in some areas beause there are teachers that have become teachers because they didn't get the job they wanted and this was their alternative plan. We need to learn to give teachers more respect. I think 33girl hit the nail right on the head.

[als463]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Well said.

(Waiting for someone to find something "racist" about your comment.)

Actually, I want to say that I agree with Dr.Phil. It almost goes along the line of a joke made at that expense on (I think) Family Guy. It commented on how when a bus full of children were killed when a bus went over the cliff, noone cared about the kids, except when they named a "white" girl. Then, the announcer said he messed up and the girl was hispanic. The group of reporters/ spectators sighed and said something like, "That isn't news." It was meant as a joke but, in all actuality, when attractive white women (Natalie Hollaway ring a bell) come up missing-the media cares. If a young black male comes up missing, people don't seem to care as much. Sad but, true.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That makes sense.

But I was born in 84 and my parents were very invested in their careers. That didn't cut into their parenting, though, and they didn't think my sisters and I could do no wrong.

I know that my bubble isn't representative of the entire population, but from what I can tell, a lot of the problems have come up with these 90s babies.

Same here, I was born in 81 and both my parents worked, but still took the time to parent, and they damn sure didn't think I could do no wrong. If anything more "blame" was placed on me than deserved with respect to school issues. I remember in 7th grade, I was falsely accused of making a bullying statement about the student. Well good ol' Mr. Kelly told my parents and lo and behold I was on punishment for MONTHS!! My parents weren't even trying to here that I actually didn't do it.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Maybe it's the beer in me, but I thought that said "capital punishment."

That would solve our problems lol

Beer at 5:50pm. I'm sooooo jealous, at 5:50 I was rushing to class I'd make a drink now, but I'm out of my fav mixer

[i <3 myself]

she hanged herself? thats sooo sad lol
this is y the bullying should stop AHEM MEAN GCERS

[agzg]

My opinion has already been covered here, no use bandwagoning.

And OMG.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by i <3 myself

she hanged herself? thats sooo sad lol
this is y the bullying should stop AHEM MEAN GCERS

Q F and P!

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

Beer at 5:50pm. I'm sooooo jealous, at 5:50 I was rushing to class I'd make a drink now, but I'm out of my fav mixer

Sadly, I started at 1pm lol

Originally Posted by i <3 myself

she hanged herself? thats sooo sad lol
this is y the bullying should stop AHEM MEAN GCERS

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT LOL SAD LOL <3 HAHAHA SAD!

Getcho ass outta here...

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by epchick

YEP!

I had a 3rd grader, mind you--he was 8 years old, tell me exactly what you typed out (minus the 'bitch' part cause I woulda whooped his ass myself) because the teacher assigned the class math problems they already did.

The others said it nicely. They didn't have to do the work. I made him do them again, along with writing out the question in its entirety plus answer choices (if there were any) and he had to draw out the problem and show how he did it. He was pissed and had a baaad attitude, but trust me when I said my bad attitude was much worse than his.

My kind of teacher! LOL