Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Little32

And this, I believe is what Chaos was trying to get at. (She will correct me if I am wrong.) So what, then, is the "true" definition, and are we really going to hell in a handbasket?

Right. What is "culture" is less opinion-based but what is American culture can be very opinion-based. If you talk to some people, American culture is includes bigotry and the culture declined as soon as certain race, gender, and sexual orientation groups began having a voice.

Long arse conclusion below

The point is, whenever I talk to people about forms of deviance, many will reference American culture and moral decay. If you ask them what "culture" means and specifically what "American culture" is, many stutter and struggle. They usually will say "founded on Christian values" or "Bible wielding" or "we work hard." It's usually an emotional response based on exposure rather than one based on an overall knowledge and understanding, which is perfectly fine as long as people are honest. And it's fine if people want to attach religion and hardwork as fundamental components of American cultures, although that will vary and isn't an exhaustive list.

But these same people don't stutter and struggle when it comes to expousing certain viewpoints on moral decay and race, gender, social class, and sexual orientation minority groups. Then if you ask them whether there are people of minority groups who are Bible wielding Christians who work hard, they often struggle to find another reason why "these people" are contributing to cultural decay. I always say have whatever viewpoints you have but don't feel threatened when someone asks questions. It's not personal, it's discourse. No one can steal your viewpoints from you but anyone can ask you to explain it. Whether you do so is your business but these are things to consider. It's a healthy exercise to make sure you aren't just pulling opinions out of your ass for everything.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by CountryClub

Random rantings are the definition of an internet forum.

OK, but then don't get mad when your ideas are defined as such.

Your cohort is right, you were under no obligation to even attempt to respond to Chaos's question, but you did because you believed that what you have to say is true and should be defended; now you just have to work on the method of that defense.

Why do I feel like I am in class?

[CrackerBarrel]

Ok, fine.

This culture is based primarily on three things:

Family values, a strong composition, and a free-market economy.

Now take my other post and you can see how everything that I think is going wrong directly relates to one of those three things.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Ok, fine.

This culture is based primarily on three things:

Family values, a strong composition, and a free-market economy.

Now take my other post and you can see how everything that I think is going wrong directly relates to one of those three things.

Ok. And there's my definition.

And to save you the trouble I define family values as being raised with a strong set of moral convictions in a two parent household with parents of the opposite sex.

[Little32]

@CB Show me where she said that.

[Little32]

She didn't say brief. Your responses were too brief. You guys have to read every word.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by Little32

She didn't say brief. Your responses were too brief. You guys have to read every word.

Another wonderful counter

[Little32]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Another wonderful counter

I'm brilliant; what can I say.

[CrackerBarrel]

Well, at least now you know your assertion that we're the same person is a little off.

[Pledgetrainer]

Ladies and gentlemen of the committee, I present to you the classic case of the superiority complex. Especially the teacher. They're not going to accept any answer you or I give because they would be sacrificing their perceived intellectual superiority.

[srmom]

Just stepping in a sec to say:

are we really going to hell in a handbasket?

IMO - YES we are, and it is a damn shame.

One example: This fine example of our youth today.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-mdX3PCHUlA

Give me time and I can find examples from every race, creed, color, socioeconomic level, educational level, etc.

This country/world is going to hell in a hand basket...

[Little32]

@srmom I guess that I would say, given my knowledge of history, that things may look different now, but they are in many ways the same as they were centuries even millennia ago. If that video is more indicative of "going to hell in a handbasket," than centuries of genocide not to mention all of the other crimes against humanity perpetrated on every continent then....



It is interesting that that is the video you post.

This is a long hijack....What was the topic again?

[62231]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Well, (a) Fail and (b) what would discourage them? envy of your turtlenecks?

HAHAHAHAHA!


Also, new folks: you have to do a lot to get banned on here. I've posted in the past that I don't want any blacks, gays, or jews in my chapter and I was never reprimanded.
You just can't lose your head like many regulars on GreekChat.

[MysticCat]

I swear some of y'all are dense -- whether intentionally or not, I don't know. Chaos asked a simple question and it took pages to get a simple answer. If you're going to argue great. I love a good argument -- I argue for a living. Lots of folks here love a good argument. But if you're going to make a claim, be ready to (1) back it up, and (2) explain exactly what you mean. Otherwise, we get pages and pages of really boring whining. It's really not that hard.

Originally Posted by nate2512

You ever notice how none of these ridiculous cult sects are found anywhere in the South?

Maybe because we specialize in flim-flam "evangelists." 'Course, there was that David Koresh guy . . . if you consider Texas "the South."

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I swear some of y'all are dense -- whether intentionally or not, I don't know. Chaos asked a simple question and it took pages to get a simple answer. If you're going to argue great. I love a good argument -- I argue for a living. Lots of folks here love a good argument. But if you're going to make a claim, be ready to (1) back it up, and (2) explain exactly what you mean. Otherwise, we get pages and pages of really boring whining. It's really not that hard.

I swear that people get more annoying proportional to their GC post count. After 2000 it's like a whole new world.