The Term African American

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Sista

I Actually tumbled up on this place by accident.

Are you part of a tumbling crew? Those rock.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

Bitch, you is allllll kinds of crazy!!!!11

Where I come from, when people call you crazy, it really means they think you have heart, more heart than they could ever imagine having for their self....


I come from the ghetto...

Where do you come from?

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

No, I think "Some of you people in here really have a lot of nerve. This Greek stuff has really gotten to you colored people. Or would you prefer Negro?" displayed hostility. And as I said before, I wasn't talking about titles, I was talking about concepts of race

You have already said it at least three times, that you are or was "talking about the concepts of race." What it looks like to me is, you are not the only one talking about the concept of race. You already made it a point to mention that not only you, but others as well were all talking about the concept of race. When you said that, you seemed to be eluding that I am the only one who seems not to be talking about the same thing.

Please, you tell me, is there a such thing as a limitation on concepts of any nature? If so, was what I discussed outside of the limit?

Is there no such thing as layers within conepts? If so, was what I discussed not one of the layers?

Is there only one degree to a concept? If so, I guess your degree was the one and the only one.

Originally Posted by laylo

I don't see comparing your view to other views as insulting and I truly don't understand how you do. Just another example of how we see things differently. Furthermore I never even disagreed with the philosophy I likened to Uhuru, I simply argued that it was based on social constructs

Let's see, you weren't indirectly insulting when you said this below?

Originally Posted by laylo

As much as you want to take credit for your Uhuru philosophy, it is not individual. It is based on the placing of people of detectable African descent into one category together, which you learned at a young age. All humans are socialized, and that doesn't make you less of an independent thinker.

"you want to take credit"

"It is not individual"

"doesn't' make you less of an independent thinker"
I'm sorry, do you know me? It seems as though, you have spent a lengthy amount of time sizing me up.

The above seemed to imply many indirect implications. I dont' care for implications. If you have something to say, say it don't imply it.

Of course, you are going probably come back with a response which will go something like this...

Never mind

[Sista]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Are you part of a tumbling crew? Those rock.

I agree...

However, I would also have to agree that the people I encountered during my tumble voyage, they rock as well.

They are just a tad bit crumbled

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Sista

Where I come from, when people call you crazy, it really means they think you have heart, more heart than they could ever imagine having for their self....


I come from the ghetto...

Where do you come from?

I's come from the second MOST violent city in the US!

DON'T MAKE ME BREAK MY FOOT OFF IN YOUR ASS!

[Sista]

Originally Posted by Dionysus

I's come from the second MOST violent city in the US!

DON'T MAKE ME BREAK MY FOOT OFF IN YOUR ASS!

Ha, ha, ha...cute

Question: Did the first violent city, put it's foot off into the asses of your city? And, is that where you learned your foot off in ass skills?

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

You have already said it at least three times, that you are or was "talking about the concepts of race." What it looks like to me is, you are not the only one talking about the concept of race. You already made it a point to mention that not only you, but others as well were all talking about the concept of race. When you said that, you seemed to be eluding that I am the only one who seems not to be talking about the same thing.

Please, you tell me, is there a such thing as a limitation on concepts of any nature? If so, was what I discussed outside of the limit?

Is there no such thing as layers within conepts? If so, was what I discussed not one of the layers?

Is there only one degree to a concept? If so, I guess your degree was the one and the only one.

You kept responding to me by referring to titles, which I did not say or imply anything about. Race concepts are different from titles. If you were also talking about concepts, it didn't seem that way from what you wrote.

Originally Posted by Sista

Let's see, you weren't indirectly insulting when you said this below?



"you want to take credit"

"It is not individual"

"doesn't' make you less of an independent thinker"

Again, no, I was not. I was saying that your idea- similar to Uhuru's- was not formed in a vacuum but is based on social constructs. Hence it is not an individual idea, as you suggested. If anything, saying that "socialization does not make you less of an independent thinker" implies that you are an independent thinker. I do not see any of this as insulting.

Originally Posted by Sista

I'm sorry, do you know me? It seems as though, you have spent a lengthy amount of time sizing me up.

I have responded to what you've written; there was nothing about your character in any of my posts.

Originally Posted by Sista

The above seemed to imply many indirect implications. I dont' care for implications. If you have something to say, say it don't imply it.

Of course, you are going probably come back with a response which will go something like this...

Never mind

I said exactly what I had to say. I don't know how or why you believe otherwise.

[TotallyWicked]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Then there are Africans (I remember from Real World: Voyage At Sea I think?) that an African woman told them that African-Americans aren't Africans! LOL!

/Hijack

that was from Road Rules: Semester At Sea, that was good episode, Ayanna (who was offended by the speaker's remark of "If you're not born in Africa, you shouldn't be calling yourself African American), was assigned to visit a Black African family (other teams visited a European family, another visited a Muslim family). She said in her confessionals that she was upset "if I'm not African American then what am I?". She told the family she was staying with, and they quickly disregarded it saying "Oh you should have told her to shut up!" LOL

Just thought i'd bring that up

/End Hijack

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

You kept responding to me by referring to titles, which I did not say or imply anything about. Race concepts are different from titles. If you were also talking about concepts, it didn't seem that way from what you wrote.

Say's who?

You conveniently avoided my questions, here they are again...

Please, you tell me, is there a such thing as a limitation on concepts of any nature? In this mattere race. If so, was what I discussed outside of the limit? Let me remind you. Again, outside the limit of race, concepts of race.

Is there no such thing as layers within concepts? If so, was what I discussed not one of the layers?

Is there only one degree to a concept? If so, I guess your degree was the one and the only one.

You are going to say I was discussing titles but lets make it clear. I was discussing that black people in America are having challenges when it comes to what their specific title is. Does that not fit into the scheme of this discussion?

Concept: Thought, Notion, Idea


Back @ at topic:

What do people in this discussion think about British settlers who by their own will, settled in South Africa? They were and still are racist against the black people who were already there, that being the black indigenous South Africans.

Those British people for the purposes of political reasons, as well as for many other underlining reasons, they are fighting for the right to become as South African as the real South Africans. They are fighting to be referred to as South Africans. This very same thing happened to the Aboriginals of Australia.

How does the above relate to this idea of "social constructs, social construction?"

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

Say's who?

You conveniently avoided my questions, here they are again...

Please, you tell me, is there a such thing as a limitation on concepts of any nature? In this mattere race. If so, was what I discussed outside of the limit? Let me remind you. Again, outside the limit of race, concepts of race.

Is there no such thing as layers within concepts? If so, was what I discussed not one of the layers?

Is there only one degree to a concept? If so, I guess your degree was the one and the only one.

You are going to say I was discussing titles but lets make it clear. I was discussing that black people in America are having challenges when it comes to what their specific title is. Does that not fit into the scheme of this discussion?

Concept: Thought, Notion, Idea

I did not say or suggest that you were off topic of the discussion, I explained that your interpretation of my statements was incorrect. You interpreted me as saying that people should accept the label society gives them, which is not what I was saying. Generally when any social theorist refers to concepts of race, they are referring to an understanding of the existence of race and what race means in itself, not individuals' racial categorizations of themselves. So when you referred to my point as letting others title me, you were referring to my point inaccurately.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

I did not say or suggest that you were off topic of the discussion, I explained that your interpretation of my statements was incorrect. You interpreted me as saying that people should accept the label society gives them, which is not what I was saying. Generally when any social theorist refers to concepts of race, they are referring to an understanding of the existence of race and what race means in itself, not individuals' racial categorizations of themselves. So when you referred to my point as letting others title me, you were referring to my point inaccurately.

You made it a point to say that everyone in this topic was talking about Social Construction, if they were, that was not what this topic was totally about, this topic is about race period especially for black people and anything black people have to say concerning this topic is no more or less relevant than your idea of social construction. When you made it a point to say that everyone was talking about Social Construction, you eluded that I was the only one who was not. That is why my interpretation of what you said was that, I was off topic. I believe you know that but you are rather good at twisting things to look good in your direction.

This is what the initial poster of this topic said...

"I think the term african-american is not a good term for people who are of african descent,my family are from jamaica and since they live in the u.s. they should be called jamaican american or afro caribbean american.i call myself jamaican american,african american should be for people how were born in africa not america.


tell me what you think..."

If this person is not talking about titles or the ethnic labels black people have, I don't know what he or she is talking about. However, I woudln't say your idea as well as other peoples idea on Social Construction does not fall into the concept of what the initial poster is talking about but hey, what i wass talking about also falls into the scheme/context of this discussion as well.


Again, Attempting to Redirect:


What do people in this discussion think about British settlers who by their own will, settled in South Africa? They were and still are racist against the black people who were already there, that being the black indigenous South Africans.

Those British people for the purposes of political reasons, as well as for many other underlining reasons, they are fighting for the right to become as South African as the real South Africans. They are fighting to be referred to as South Africans. This very same thing happened to the Aboriginals of Australia.

How does the above relate to this idea of "social constructs, social construction?"

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

You made it a point to say that everyone in this topic was talking about Social Construction, if they were, that was not what this topic was totally about, this topic is about race period especially for black people and anything black people have to say concerning this topic is no more or less relevant than your idea of social construction. When you made it a point to say that everyone was talking about Social Construction, you eluded that I was the only one who was not. That is why my interpretation of what you said was that, I was off topic. I believe you know that but you are rather good at twisting things to look good in your direction.

No, I said "other posters", not "every poster". And there was no implication in any of my posts that you were the only one doing anything.

Originally Posted by Sista

This is what the initial poster of this topic said...

"I think the term african-american is not a good term for people who are of african descent,my family are from jamaica and since they live in the u.s. they should be called jamaican american or afro caribbean american.i call myself jamaican american,african american should be for people how were born in africa not america.


tell me what you think..."

If this person is not talking about titles or the ethnic labels black people have, I don't know what he or she is talking about. However, I woudln't say your idea as well as other peoples idea on Social Construction does not fall into the concept of what the initial poster is talking about but hey, what i wass talking about also falls into the scheme/context of this discussion as well.

Again, I did not say your statements were inappropriate for this thread, I explained that your responses to me included incorrect interpretations of my statements.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

No, I said "other posters", not "every poster". And there was no implication in any of my posts that you were the only one doing anything..

Originally Posted by laylo

We are talking about the basic ways in which people understand racial categories and the fact that such things as racial categories were invented

Who is we?

Originally Posted by laylo

Again, I did not say your statements were inappropriate for this thread, I explained that your responses to me included incorrect interpretations of my statements.

Okay, gotcha, gotcha. My impression of you is that you did think that what I was discussing was out of bounds with the idea of social construction but you won't admit to that so let's just drop it and move on. I'm not going to change and from the looks of it neither are you.


Desperately attempting to redirect:

What do people in this discussion think about British settlers who by their own will, settled in South Africa? They were and still are racist against the black people who were already there, that being the black indigenous South Africans.

Those British people for the purposes of political reasons, as well as for many other underlining reasons, they are fighting for the right to become as South African as the real South Africans. They are fighting to be referred to as South Africans. This very same thing happened to the Aboriginals of Australia.

How does the above relate to this idea of "social constructs, social construction?"

[HOLLAIFYOUHEARM]

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How do I love thee let me count the ways….

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[DSTCHAOS]

^^^

Easy solution: ALWAYS protect yourself physically, socially, and financially regardless of who you date. Love yourself and be loyal to yourself before loving and being loyal to a man of any race or ethnicity.

<---loyal to black men because there isn't a shortage of good ones out there