Stage set for possible showdown on gay marriage

[greekalum]

Nope, it wouldn't. It hasn't for the companies that already extend health benefits to same sex partners. Gays being "at a higher risk for certain [health] problems" is not an assertion borne out by statistics.

[Rudey]

Why can't people in this country marry an animal and have sex with it?

What is so wrong with that?

Marriage is a right. Controlling the life and death of an animal is completely acceptable (check out all that meat you eat, the fine leathers you wear, and the bone miniatures and sculptures that adorn your house).

-Rudey

[shinerbock]

Really, well seeing as my father is a corporate executive, and my sister is a clinical psychologist, I don't think they're bad people to ask. I believe I've presented a health care professional as a source, while you simply regurgitate what you've heard from God knows who. How about some logical arguments from you? Perhaps you could put aside your ACLU talking points and come up with something valid. I know your blatent disregard for people who think like I do is hard to overcome, but you lack any rationale in your statements. You simply act as though people who think like me (the majority of the country, might I add) are backwoods idiots who aren't educated enough to realize with the issue at hand is. In fact, we are people who cherish American values, and as much as this may offend you, it still remains the case. In regarding civil unions v. marriage, they are not the same. A marriage is a sacred institution which was founded with religious basis. A civil union would just provide people with certain benefits they might otherwise not recieve. It seems most people on this board can argue in a civil manner, but I guess you were not taught such things. Just because you don't value something many (most) Americans do, obviously does not mean it is of no importance. I highly doubt you're intelligent enough or refined enough to make such decisions for people, and continuing to act as an asshole doesnt aid your case.

[greekalum]

Both parties need to consent, and animals can't give consent.

(Fortunately for us there is no requirement that one be able to enter into a legally binding contract before being killed and ground up into cheeseburger.)

[shinerbock]

Greekalum, you may very well be right. Please post your research which indicates this.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're right about women, and obviously I'm no expert on health insurance...however, would being gay, and having a higher risk of certain problems, not raise prices? It may not, but I have heard this.

I'm assuming this is your PC way of referring to STDs (it may not be, in which case, I apologize and you can ignore this comment). I learned this in high school health class: Anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, education level, economic status, race, creed, etc., can contract STDs provided that they engage in sexual activity.

Unless HR is finding a way to hire only virgins, then providing coverage to gay employees and their families would not raise said company's health insurance prices.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Really, well seeing as my father is a corporate executive, and my sister is a clinical psychologist, I don't think they're bad people to ask. I believe I've presented a health care professional as a source, while you simply regurgitate what you've heard from God knows who. How about some logical arguments from you? Perhaps you could put aside your ACLU talking points and come up with something valid. I know your blatent disregard for people who think like I do is hard to overcome, but you lack any rationale in your statements. You simply act as though people who think like me (the majority of the country, might I add) are backwoods idiots who aren't educated enough to realize with the issue at hand is. In fact, we are people who cherish American values, and as much as this may offend you, it still remains the case. In regarding civil unions v. marriage, they are not the same. A marriage is a sacred institution which was founded with religious basis. A civil union would just provide people with certain benefits they might otherwise not recieve. It seems most people on this board can argue in a civil manner, but I guess you were not taught such things. Just because you don't value something many (most) Americans do, obviously does not mean it is of no importance. I highly doubt you're intelligent enough or refined enough to make such decisions for people, and continuing to act as an asshole doesnt aid your case.

And again, you result to namecalling and insults and can't defend yourself when challenged on certain points. Doesn't help your credibility.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I'm assuming this is your PC way of referring to STDs (it may not be, in which case, I apologize and you can ignore this comment). I learned this in high school health class: Anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, education level, economic status, race, creed, etc., can contract STDs provided that they engage in sexual activity.

Unless HR is finding a way to hire only virgins, then providing coverage to gay employees and their families would not raise said company's health insurance prices.

If he's referring to HIV/AIDS in particular, the fastest growing at-risk population for contracting HIV/AIDS are young, heterosexual females, particularly African Americans. Refer to the CDC website for all the statistics.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by greekalum

Both parties need to consent, and animals can't give consent.

(Fortunately for us there is no requirement that one be able to enter into a legally binding contract before being killed and ground up into cheeseburger.)

If you could read, you would have seen the part where we decide to kill, skin, grind up, stuff an animal all without its consent. Surely they'd rather be married.

-Rudey

[greekalum]

I actually sat in on a law class discussing it, but a good overview of the concept of informed consent is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Name calling? I simply asserted the way you were acting. As of yet you have merely refuted my statements basically with a "nope!" I'm sorry if I don't view that as valid. You have continuously made statements about me not knowing what I'm talking about, yet have given no qualifications regarding yourself which would make you credible. You even went so far as to insult my respect for and the credibility of my family members, which I take as a personal affront. I must say, for the first time, I've met a KD who had no class. Congratulations on your honor.

You are not alone.

-Rudey
--Is a great Michael Jackson song.

[shinerbock]

When referring to them being at risk, I was in part referring to STD's but also other things which can occur with contact of that kind. I am fully aware that anyone can get STD's. Just because I went to school in Alabama doesn't mean I'm still in the mindset that only gay people can get AIDS. Give me a break.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, education level, economic status, race, creed, etc., can contract STDs provided that they engage in sexual activity.

This is a true statement, however, what's left out are the odds. Anyone can get an STD, but odds are different for different sexual orientations - the stats prove that.

/Still not arguing against gay rights, however.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by greekalum

I actually sat in on a law class discussing it, but a good overview of the concept of informed consent is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent

Next time you sit in on a class, pay attention. In that link you provided the first sentence uses the word "Person".

Once again, animals do not give you consent to slaughter them. Marriage to and sex with animals should be made legal.

-Rudey

[greekalum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

also other things which can occur with contact of that kind.

What kind of other things?