Osama Bin Laden Dead

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by agzg

They have two brain cells to rub together.

They must have the only brains left in America. Lord knows that everyone else is farting and partying as though there's not a care in the world.

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Will that be the Navy Seals' faults or Obamas? Or both or neither? Agh...this credit and blame thing is tough.

No, that doesn't go to anyone. This isn't a slight on anyone. I'm saying everyone should be proud to be an American but, let's remember that we must be careful at home and abroad. That really goes with the territory of being an American.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Under their ideology, meaning the terrorists, I believe

1. You would be wearing a burqa.
2. Women would be under the complete domination of the males in society.
3. Women would be treated as second class citizens.
4. We (The US of A) would be under Sharia law and
5. I would probably be dead and in my grave due to having been beheaded.

That is how it would look although probably not through my eyes.

You honestly believe that is what would have happened had we not gone to war in Afghanistan?

[agzg]

HAHA women treated as second class citizens.

Oh.

[MysticCat]

I know I'm catching up on this discussion, but

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Forrest Gump, Rainman, and GWB all would have made the same call. It was a no-brainer, non-issue.

Completely irrelevant. The Commander-in-Chief gets to take the credit and has to accept the blame, especially in a case like this when he was certainly directly making final decisions. I have no problem with that, regardless of who the Commander-in-Chief is.

Originally Posted by als463

You know that GWB would not have gotten the accolades for this. Let's be honest.

I do not know that at all, though my strong suspicion is that you're wrong. I, who was no fan of W's, would have given him credit, just as I and many others who otherwise didn't like him did for his actions after 9/11.

[Xylochick216]

Originally Posted by als463

Of course it doesn't matter to you. Maybe when you actually fight for your country, then you can go around disrespecting others who have. Get off your high horse, skank.

Classy.

[Kevin]

[als463]

Originally Posted by Xylochick216

Classy.

Yes. Because what was said to me was very classy, as well.

[svartekatta]

The celebrations were way too much. I get that people are happy that he´s gone, but the pictures that have surfaced from celebrations (champagne bottles? really?) unnerved me. Also, most of the people celebrating in the streets looked young, I don´t think many of them even really knew more than; He was a bad guy, 9/11 - he´s dead.
How many of them did really think about Osama the past years?

Along with the "USA! USA! USA!" chants which always make me uneasy it was just tasteless to celebrate this way. I´m not saying that people shouldn´t feel relieved or feel like justice was served, but it just conveys a certain image to the rest of the world (and not just terrorists, but the whole world.)
Most of the world thinks the U.S is full of ignorant people that don´t stop to think about what they´re doing anyway, and I don´t believe that pictures like the ones we all saw will help.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

What the hell? What is this from?

ETA: Never mind. Found it lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SFXQfE4kk

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by svartekatta

Most of the world thinks the U.S is full of ignorant people that don´t stop to think about what they´re doing anyway, and I don´t believe that pictures like the ones we all saw will help.

So you're against celebrating the death of some a-hole who planned the murder of over 3,000 innocent folks? This is someone many of us have an emotional investment in seeing ended due to our belief in just retribution. It's nice to get out and celebrate being an American, showing these ****ers that essentially, when you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

There likely would have been celebrations in Europe as well if it hadn't been 6, 7 or whatever in the A.M.

In short, 'merica.

[southbymidwest]

To those who say that Obama making this decision was a no brainer, if you are old enough, you might remember an American military operation ordered by President Jimmy Carter in 1980. In an attempt to look tough,he okayed a joint services night mission to put an end to the neverending Iran hostage crisis by rescuing 52 Americans held captive at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran. It failed miserably. No one was rescued, helicopters were abandoned and captured by the Iranians, and American service members lost their lives in a helicopter crash. Their bodies were recovered by the Iranians, and paraded through the streets of Tehran. According to Wikipedia, "the public, humiliating debacle that ensued damaged American prestige worldwide and is believed by many, including Carter himself, to have played a major role in his defeat in the 1980 presidential election." You can't tell me that any president, after this mess, did not think about the possibilities of having to deal with the consequences of a failed mission like this one.

I wasn't a big fan of GWB (nor am I of Obama, actually), but I would absolutely give him (GWB) props for making the decision to proceed with a mission that resulted in the death of Bin Laden. No question.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by southbymidwest

To those who say that Obama making this decision was a no brainer, if you are old enough, you might remember an American military operation ordered by President Jimmy Carter in 1980.

This is exactly the example I was thinking of when I said that along with the credit, the Commander-in-Chief has to accept the blame. I remember that failed mission and the aftermath very well.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by als463

Yes. Because what was said to me was very classy, as well.

The bottom line is that you jumped the gun. My saying that it didn't matter whether you were male or female (and it still doesn't matter to me since I'm not hung up on gender) did not warrant your response. I do however understand that emotions are running high due to the topic of this thread. I know I'm not a skank on my high horse so it's all good.

[svartekatta]

@ Kevin. No, as I stated, I´m not against celebrating. I just think the way of celebrating looked wrong and tacky