Osama Bin Laden Dead

[IrishLake]

Anyone checked Wikileaks lately? Um, because a FB friend of mine has a picture of a dead Bin Laden on his page... and it looks pretty dang real, and he says he got it from Wikileaks. I can't check that site from work.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

Anyone checked Wikileaks lately? Um, because a FB friend of mine has a picture of a dead Bin Laden on his page... and it looks pretty dang real, and he says he got it from Wikileaks. I can't check that site from work.

I know which picture it is--the local tabloid posted it on its website. It's a fake--a combination of an actual war casualty and a photo of OBL. I really really hope that it's not published.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

Anyone checked Wikileaks lately? Um, because a FB friend of mine has a picture of a dead Bin Laden on his page... and it looks pretty dang real, and he says he got it from Wikileaks. I can't check that site from work.

Nothing's been posted to www.wikileaks.ch since April. The photos floating around are 4chan/reddit photoshops.

[knight_shadow]

Someone on my FB feed posted a pic that's apparently been floating around the net for several years. I'm not sure if I would want to see the real photo, though :-/

[SOM]

A friend just sent me this link. It is a 1st person blog about what was going on in New York City Sunday/Monday. Written by a NYC beat reporter.
Through A New York Eye: A Bullet For Bin Laden
One Veteran Reporter's Tick-Tock On The Day Osama Got His
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/...for-bin-laden/

[BluPhire]

Its funny because the morning of the announcement (On Sunday) PBS here was running a special on forgiveness and focused on three stories, particularly the Amish reaction to the school shooting and the Rwanda tragedy. It was amazing because, especially in the case of the Amish, they had a former Amish minister, now just a menonite saying at one moment he was proud that they stuck to their conviction of forgiveness, but on the other hand its kinda cruel to force people to disallow a person's ability to have an emotional reaction to this.

The reality is I don't judge people by their initial reaction just by the example ASTAlumna wrote. I don't know how I would react with the initial news somebody that killed my loved one was killed or captured, and we don't know if the reaction in America would be the same had he been captured instead of killed. My issue is with people trying to force their beliefs on others, to prevent people from letting their emotions flow. We all know initial emotions do not equal are rational thoughts on the situation. I guarantee a week from now, most of the folks celebrating will be moving on with their lives the same way it was before Bin Laden was eliminated.

[IrishLake]

ASTAlumna, that was really well put. Thank you.

[PiKA2001]

The only real photos on the net are on the Drudge Report but they are just battle scene photos of the compound. No close-up shots of UBL or anyone else.

- Has anyone else heard that he used a wife of his (the only female at the scene) as a human shield? Was this confirmed yet?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

- Has anyone else heard that he used a wife of his (the only female at the scene) as a human shield? Was this confirmed yet?

It's been confirmed as false, actually. One female was killed "in the crossfire" and another wounded when she "rushed" at the SEAL team, and was subdued with a shot to the leg. Many initial details were delivered in haste, and have sense been clarified by the Pentagon and White House - this was the big one, along with him being unarmed.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

- Has anyone else heard that he used a wife of his (the only female at the scene) as a human shield? Was this confirmed yet?

That is what they said on the Today show this morning. They originally announced that a female had also been killed while acting as a human shield. Today reported this morning that the female was one of his wives, she was shielding him and she actually survived.

As an IT Security person planning on specializing in digital forensics, I'm particularly fascinated with the 5 computers and 10 hard drives/USB drives they confiscated. Trying to imagine how much info they will be able to get from those machines... plans, contact info, etc. It's mind boggling how much that information that computer equipment could hold!

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

- Has anyone else heard that he used a wife of his (the only female at the scene) as a human shield? Was this confirmed yet?

I know this probably isn't anything anyone doesn't know, but using his wife as a shield was probably less emotionally disturbing to him than us using our dog. In their culture, she was his property, and therefore, disposable.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

In their culture, she was his property, and therefore, disposable.

In their culture? From what I understand, while he treated his sons harshly, he was never violent or cruel to any of the women in the family. He taught them all how to defend themselves and provided for their needs. If you want to think of him as an animal, ok. But, even animals protect their families, even when they are vicious toward outsiders.

His youngest wife was shot defending him, presumably because that was her duty and he was her livelihood.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

In their culture? From what I understand, while he treated his sons harshly, he was never violent or cruel to any of the women in the family. He taught them all how to defend themselves and provided for their needs. If you want to think of him as an animal, ok. But, even animals protect their families, even when they are vicious toward outsiders.

His youngest wife was shot defending him, presumably because that was her duty and he was her livelihood.

Yeah I thought about saying something about that too. Talk about painting with big broad strokes. And who is the "they" in "their culture"? Terrorists? Saudis? Wahhabiism? Salafis? Sunnis? People named Bin Laden?

Osama's wives

Not very in depth but an interesting article about the woman who was injured, and some of her life.

[Drolefille]

Worldwide Reactions - Photos

Warning bandwidth heavy. Pretty interesting, I think the one that struck me the most was the one with the man from the 1998 Embassy bombing. We forget how long and how many people were victims of terror led, encouraged, or orchestrated by OBL.

[FHwku]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It is my contention though that special forces are better trained/equipped to handle PTSD more so than the general military population, thereby lowering their risk of being afflicted by it.

But that's just MY opinion.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

What parts of their training would account for this?

research has shown that Special Forces soldiers are less susceptible to PTSD than other soldiers, including Rangers and Marines. neurological differences in the SF men, namely the production of the neuropeptide Y molecule at greater and sustained levels, which allowed them to avoid disassociation and stay mentally focused.

i don't know if it's genetic or due to the high-stress situations during selection and SF training. soldiers who made it through selection say it was the best training experiences of their lives, while the ones who washed out don't fare so well. their subjective views of the traumatic event may be the best predictors of PTSD.