"Smoking causes death...to your career" - Page 3

AGDee · #31 02-09-2005, 09:19 PM

In articles around here (this was originally news in the Detroit area last week), the owner of the company equated this to drug testing. Perhaps I'm paranoid, but I see a definite progression from drug testing to nicotine testing to weight testing.. what's next? If too many employers take on these types of policies, you may not have a choice any longer.

Kevin · #32 02-10-2005, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Yeah, cause, you know, to add to the blanket, every fat person is a lazy, slow, unmotivated slob that should be hidden from society right? God forbid it's a medical thing....

Yeah yeah, I know what you're gonna say before you even say it....I'm just saying not all obese people fit this stereotype....

If you know your argument is weak, why raise the objection?

People with disabilities are protected. People who are fat because they are lazy and like to eat pizza with their ice cream are not.

Again, an employer can require certain lifestyle choices from their employees as long as they don't violate the law. The employee always has the choice to quit. I don't see how this is particuarly invasive or wrong. If nothing else, it provides the employee with real incentive to make positive lifestyle choices.

DeltaSigStan · #33 02-10-2005, 01:41 AM

I'm just gonna ask again, are you implying that ALL fat people are like this? Cause if you think so, you're wrong.

Whatever man, I'm gonna go tip the scale....

Kevin · #34 02-10-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
I'm just gonna ask again, are you implying that ALL fat people are like this? Cause if you think so, you're wrong.

Whatever man, I'm gonna go tip the scale....

If fatness is caused by a disability, (law students/lawyers, correct me if I'm wrong), the individual is protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act.

If it's not caused by a medical condition, then what else can cause it? The fat fairy?

33girl · #35 02-10-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by AGDee
In articles around here (this was originally news in the Detroit area last week), the owner of the company equated this to drug testing.

He's stupid.

Cigarettes do not impair your judgement or vision or make you think there is a pink unicorn sitting at the desk next to you.

kddani · #36 02-10-2005, 11:41 AM

Funny that i'm reading this thread and a coworker walks past after her 3rd smoke break of the morning...

None of the attorneys here smoke... but the office manager does so they're fairly sympathetic to smokers

_Opi_ · #37 02-10-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by 33girl
He's stupid.

Cigarettes do not impair your judgement or vision or make you think there is a pink unicorn sitting at the desk next to you.

lol.

I still think they should ban alcohol, instead. It does contribute to weight gain for some individual..and does impair your productivity (say..if you have a hangover from the night before).

ETA: I think policies should be REASONABLE...and this policy discriminating against smokers and overweight individuals is not reasonable, even though it is legal.

Kevin · #38 02-10-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by _Opi_
lol.

I still think they should ban alcohol, instead. It does contribute to weight gain for some individual..and does impair your productivity (say..if you have a hangover from the night before).

ETA: I think policies should be REASONABLE...and this policy discriminating against smokers and overweight individuals is not reasonable, even though it is legal.

Again, if the worker finds it unreasonable, they should quit.

_Opi_ · #39 02-10-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Again, if the worker finds it unreasonable, they should quit.

Well, that's stating the obvious, isnt it?

kddani · #40 02-10-2005, 12:06 PM

there's no law against unreasonableness. If there were, most of you all would be in jail

DeltaSigStan · #41 02-10-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
If fatness is caused by a disability, (law students/lawyers, correct me if I'm wrong), the individual is protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act.

If it's not caused by a medical condition, then what else can cause it? The fat fairy?

Good, you acknowledge that it can be something other than the 6 Big Macs for lunch....

Please don't say "fat fairy" again....reminds me too much of something Roger Ebert said during his beef (no pun intended) with Vince Gallo.

Kevin · #42 02-10-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by _Opi_
Well, that's stating the obvious, isnt it?

And yet some on here don't think it's so obvious, so it merits saying and even repeating.

Kevin · #43 02-10-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Good, you acknowledge that it can be something other than the 6 Big Macs for lunch....

Please don't say "fat fairy" again....reminds me too much of something Roger Ebert said during his beef (no pun intended) with Vince Gallo.

Of course I do. The ADA protects those people though. This thread really couldn't apply to them at all.

Will abstain from fait fairy comments.

KSigkid · #44 02-10-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
If fatness is caused by a disability, (law students/lawyers, correct me if I'm wrong), the individual is protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act.

If it's not caused by a medical condition, then what else can cause it? The fat fairy?

Haha, the fat fairy. That's fantastic. I'll have to use that sometime if I get a chance.

I also thought that obesity caused by disability was protected by the Act. Anyone know for sure?