UN Peacekeepers Rape Congolese - Page 2

PhiPsiRuss · #16 12-19-2004, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
If you are talking about the Oil for Food, like I've said in the past, he is waiting for the Volker commision to finish their work. It will be done in the beginning of 2005. All the finding, documents, etc of the commission will be released to the public. it is my hope that none of the report will be hidden to the public. Seeing that he is waiting for the final result of the commission, it is only appropriate to wait until the finding is released before he says one thing.

When I wrote, "I hope that it actually contains references to what is discussed in this thread," I meant just that; the thread's title of "UN Peacekeepers Rape Congolese."

moe.ron · #17 12-19-2004, 09:33 AM

ah, ok. This committee was formed before the raping incident. Maybe a better selection on which countries could engaged in peacekeeping operation is in order.

PhiPsiRuss · #18 12-19-2004, 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
ah, ok. This committee was formed before the raping incident. Maybe a better selection on which countries could engaged in peacekeeping operation is in order.

OK. I'm very interested to see how the U.N. will respond.

mmcat · #19 12-19-2004, 09:56 AM

how terribly sad...

RACooper · #20 12-19-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
OK. I'm very interested to see how the U.N. will respond.

Most likely the same way they have responded in the past to other incidents of crimes committed by UN troops and administrative staff - with legal charges.... of course now anyone serving with the UN has to sign a legal document recognizing that they can be charged and proscecuted by the ICC. While that's great in theory, the reality is that the UN still relies on nation of origin to take legal action against transgressors... so as you can guess the legal response is somewhat spotty.

I do agree with moe.ron about the latest proposal for reforming the make-up of the UN - this is probibly the best chance for eliminating some of the systemic problems within the say the Security Council system....

James · #21 12-19-2004, 01:59 PM

The title of the thread and the article is mislading becaue it lads us to believe that all the "sexual abuse" is rape when they are lumping the paying of prostitutes in there.

I would think most of us agree that there is a big difference between raping a pre-pubescent and paying for a hooker.

Rudey · #22 12-19-2004, 06:50 PM

So has the UN lost its moral ground?

The UN's role here was to play peacekeeper. It was not there to fight or to guard prisoners, but to be a peace keeper.

So what countries where these soldiers from?

I believe some Canadian soldiers really did a job by brutalizing an African man.

-Rudey

RACooper · #23 12-19-2004, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
So has the UN lost its moral ground?

The UN's role here was to play peacekeeper. It was not there to fight or to guard prisoners, but to be a peace keeper.

So what countries where these soldiers from?

I believe some Canadian soldiers really did a job by brutalizing an African man.

-Rudey

Yes Rudey... I believe I did mention that earlier in a post...

As for the countries involved as of this date, with troops currently or formerly deployed as peacekeepers in Congo:
Algeria
Bangladesh
Belgium
Benin
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Burkina Faso
Cameroon
Canada
China
Czech Republic
Denmark
Egypt
France
Ghana
India
Indonesia
Ireland
Jordan
Kenya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mali
Mongolia
Morocco
Mozambique
Nepal
Niger
Nigeria
Pakistan
Paraguay
Peru
Poland
Romania
Russian Federation
Senegal
Serbia and Montenegro
South Africa
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Tunisia
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Uruguay
Zambia

Rudey · #24 12-19-2004, 07:27 PM

No I mean with this specific incident. The people that did this deserve to be punished. I don't think it's something that every country and every person in the UN deserves blame for.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by RACooper
Yes Rudey... I believe I did mention that earlier in a post...

As for the countries involved as of this date, with troops currently or formerly deployed as peacekeepers in Congo:
Algeria
Bangladesh
Belgium
Benin
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Burkina Faso
Cameroon
Canada
China
Czech Republic
Denmark
Egypt
France
Ghana
India
Indonesia
Ireland
Jordan
Kenya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mali
Mongolia
Morocco
Mozambique
Nepal
Niger
Nigeria
Pakistan
Paraguay
Peru
Poland
Romania
Russian Federation
Senegal
Serbia and Montenegro
South Africa
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Tunisia
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Uruguay
Zambia

RACooper · #25 12-19-2004, 08:07 PM

Unfortunately the UN doesn't release that info... usually it's broken by news media... however if the past is anything to go by it could be any of the countries on the list...

For example in Somalia the biggest offender with charges of rape, murder, assault, etc. was Belgium; followed by Italy; then Canada; then Pakistan - no other countries released any specifics involving their personnel and any criminal charges.

Shortfuse · #26 12-20-2004, 09:58 AM

Welcome to the horrors of war. Stuff like this has been happening to women since the dawn of time. Not saying that it's right but I sometimes wonder do we even think about this when we decide that we're going to go to war?

Be careful when you talk about unleashing the dogs of war.

moe.ron · #27 12-20-2004, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by Shortfuse
Welcome to the horrors of war. Stuff like this has been happening to women since the dawn of time. Not saying that it's right but I sometimes wonder do we even think about this when we decide that we're going to go to war?

Be careful when you talk about unleashing the dogs of war.

Uhm, the perpetrators are all peacekeeping personals. They were not there to engaged in warfare, instead, they were there to monitor the peace agreement between the DRC government and rebels. The mission is a humanatarian mission.

Rudey · #28 12-20-2004, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Shortfuse
Welcome to the horrors of war. Stuff like this has been happening to women since the dawn of time. Not saying that it's right but I sometimes wonder do we even think about this when we decide that we're going to go to war?

Be careful when you talk about unleashing the dogs of war.

But that's just it. The UN didn't go to fight people in the Congo, it went there to wear blue helmets and acts as peace keepers.

-Rudey

Shortfuse · #29 12-20-2004, 10:13 AM

What you two said is very true. I wouldn't argue that one in no shape form or fashion.

But my point was that war gives the oppourtunity for corruption. These men could've had Blue Helmets or flying the Stars or Stripe, the Union Jack, the Maple Leaf, or the Russian Flag. War brings out the worse even in the people who are there to keep the peace.

moe.ron · #30 12-20-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Shortfuse
What you two said is very true. I wouldn't argue that one in no shape form or fashion.

But my point was that war gives the oppourtunity for corruption. These men could've had Blue Helmets or flying the Stars or Stripe, the Union Jack, the Maple Leaf, or the Russian Flag. War brings out the worse even in the people who are there to keep the peace.

It's no excuse, especially the civilian personal in the peacekeeping operation. They were there to protect and monitor, not to rape and pillage. Nations usually send their elite forces, or those who were trained in peacekeeping into these kind of operations. In another word, the soldiers were not you usual GI. The civilian personals should know better, they were UN officials and should be highly educated. As I said, this is not a war time situation, it is a humanatirian situation and the people should be more professional. Unfortunately, this is not the case and I hope they are prosecuted and send away for a very long time.