Is Barak Obama speaking Bill Cosby's words?

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by Rudey
Well if there are no specific black problems then really there is no need for anyone to talk about the black community and how politicians don't address their problems.

-Rudey

If you have nothing to add to the discussion.........

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Shortfuse
If you have nothing to add to the discussion.........

You're right, then you, Shortfuse, should not post.

-Rudey

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by Shortfuse
If you have nothing to add to the discussion.........

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Shortfuse
I have nothing to add so I will quote what I said earlier about having nothing to add.

Sometimes I talk to myself too.

-Rudey

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Shortfuse
If you have nothing to add to the discussion.........

since irony is apparently lost on you, rudey actually made a pretty good point (at least as far as THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION HAS GONE) there - the candle was being burnt on both ends (by different people), which doesn't really fly in a true discussion.

[AKA_Monet]

Hey Rudey,

Honey, you can post whatever, whenever and whereever you want... All over the place... I really have yet to care about that isssue. Because, like you said, it is important to have some level of discussion of these topics, elsewhere... And maybe a few folks who are not Black, actually do care.

I am still a little peeved about the "Back to Africa" comment though...



But Tom,

Some folks, just don't care about people in general. Much less care about themselves... All one can say is oh well...




GRhinoUK,

Maybe in your world and reality, you may have never had to see the need for unification between Blacks. That is a current (I'd say in the last 25 years) development. However, during Segregation in the United States, Blacks at all levels (rich vs poor, educated vs uneducated, etc.) all lived side by side. Blacks in the United States had to live in their own communities, see their own doctors and eat in their own tables... They were never allowed to own property or do their own thing... The laws at the time dictated separate and equal conditions until the US Supreme Court dictated that it was unconstitutional in 1954...

That is what made it extremely important so that you can have more commonalities between folks of different ethnic groups... Because for SOME people, if they had it their way, you would not be using the internet today... You would not be able to say these items...




Lemme put it all to you like this: In the majority of the Black community in America, there is this "fear" of sanctioned covert government plots to utterly destroy the Black man--like the "Final Solution" was for Jews. I don't know what is fueling this fear or if it is real or not--'cuz for some people it is the PERCEPTION it--not the actual reality of it...

For Example: Why are there so many "myths" about HIV/AIDS in the Black community??? It was a covert plot by the government--yada, yada, yada... Either way, if Black folks are about 15% of the population in the US, then how come by sheer numbers, 10% are afflicted with HIV/AIDS--even with ALL the capabilities we have in the US--still there is a huge increase of new HIV/AIDS cases in the US Black Community???

That is what most avowed, practicing African American here on GC are talking about with those outside of the group and those African Americans that call us to task and question...





And Lemme say another thing to those Black folks that wonder why other Black folks don't like them... Personally, for me, I understand where you all are coming from... Been there, done that--I say. Because I am older, I have yet to care what other African Americans are saying about me. DAYUM, as my Grandmother said, "They talked about Jesus Christ, they sho are gonna talk about you..." Whether you are "comfortable in your skin that you are in" or not, it still hurts to be called a "sell out" to your face when you are probably being misunderstood for the most part...

But having been ostracized by my own while growing up, I have learned what makes us Black folks tick. It is a matter of watching the conversation and the level of what is coming out of their mouths for you to frame it to get them to where your thinking level is... But that takes several levels of skill and practice... I still have to work on it at my age...

But, why you all get so bashed for your statements in the fact that when you all say them, no matter how correct the statements actually are, you are still SEEN and PERCEIVED just as CRITICAL as those "demeaning" white folks or other races are to us, which make your "allegiances" be called into question... I.e., you are so quick to JUDGE us like Judge Judy when a negro says something, but NEVER when a white boy says something... There you go again, Uncle Thoming on us again--yada, yada, yada...

Nevertheless, the minute another Black persons says that to you, you all shutdown, become hurt and lash out defensively... But does that help your learning and proving your point?

One suggestion is, from my spiritual quest, is to respond in kindness... That is why Rudey doesn't piss me off for some of the things he says--like he can to so many others--'cuz I respond to him with humanity and kindness... The minute he slips up and says something in my opinion questionable--I ask what does he mean and usually, he clarifies it... That is why I respect him...

But, the flaming on here... Is it working? I dunno... Don't much care--especially when you have a mortgage to deal with... However, for kids, it is important... And when you've got young people, you really have to think about the broad implication of your statements... It is liken to not cursing in front of a two year old...

[Rudey]

In case you were looking for some other black articles on AIDS:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/07/na.../07deaths.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/06/national/06aids.html

About the back to africa comment, I'm sure you know that I would never say that and I think it's shameful someone on here did so I left it in my signature with their name as a reminder.

Regarding my own personal image among NPHC members, well, I'll live but truthfully NPC, NIC, Latino, Latina, Chinese, Fukanese, whatever...everybody misinterprets my love on here.

-Rudey

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
Hey Rudey,

Honey, you can post whatever, whenever and whereever you want... All over the place... I really have yet to care about that isssue. Because, like you said, it is important to have some level of discussion of these topics, elsewhere... And maybe a few folks who are not Black, actually do care.

I am still a little peeved about the "Back to Africa" comment though...



But Tom,

Some folks, just don't care about people in general. Much less care about themselves... All one can say is oh well...




GRhinoUK,

Maybe in your world and reality, you may have never had to see the need for unification between Blacks. That is a current (I'd say in the last 25 years) development. However, during Segregation in the United States, Blacks at all levels (rich vs poor, educated vs uneducated, etc.) all lived side by side. Blacks in the United States had to live in their own communities, see their own doctors and eat in their own tables... They were never allowed to own property or do their own thing... The laws at the time dictated separate and equal conditions until the US Supreme Court dictated that it was unconstitutional in 1954...

That is what made it extremely important so that you can have more commonalities between folks of different ethnic groups... Because for SOME people, if they had it their way, you would not be using the internet today... You would not be able to say these items...




Lemme put it all to you like this: In the majority of the Black community in America, there is this "fear" of sanctioned covert government plots to utterly destroy the Black man--like the "Final Solution" was for Jews. I don't know what is fueling this fear or if it is real or not--'cuz for some people it is the PERCEPTION it--not the actual reality of it...

For Example: Why are there so many "myths" about HIV/AIDS in the Black community??? It was a covert plot by the government--yada, yada, yada... Either way, if Black folks are about 15% of the population in the US, then how come by sheer numbers, 10% are afflicted with HIV/AIDS--even with ALL the capabilities we have in the US--still there is a huge increase of new HIV/AIDS cases in the US Black Community???

That is what most avowed, practicing African American here on GC are talking about with those outside of the group and those African Americans that call us to task and question...





And Lemme say another thing to those Black folks that wonder why other Black folks don't like them... Personally, for me, I understand where you all are coming from... Been there, done that--I say. Because I am older, I have yet to care what other African Americans are saying about me. DAYUM, as my Grandmother said, "They talked about Jesus Christ, they sho are gonna talk about you..." Whether you are "comfortable in your skin that you are in" or not, it still hurts to be called a "sell out" to your face when you are probably being misunderstood for the most part...

But having been ostracized by my own while growing up, I have learned what makes us Black folks tick. It is a matter of watching the conversation and the level of what is coming out of their mouths for you to frame it to get them to where your thinking level is... But that takes several levels of skill and practice... I still have to work on it at my age...

But, why you all get so bashed for your statements in the fact that when you all say them, no matter how correct the statements actually are, you are still SEEN and PERCEIVED just as CRITICAL as those "demeaning" white folks or other races are to us, which make your "allegiances" be called into question... I.e., you are so quick to JUDGE us like Judge Judy when a negro says something, but NEVER when a white boy says something... There you go again, Uncle Thoming on us again--yada, yada, yada...

Nevertheless, the minute another Black persons says that to you, you all shutdown, become hurt and lash out defensively... But does that help your learning and proving your point?

One suggestion is, from my spiritual quest, is to respond in kindness... That is why Rudey doesn't piss me off for some of the things he says--like he can to so many others--'cuz I respond to him with humanity and kindness... The minute he slips up and says something in my opinion questionable--I ask what does he mean and usually, he clarifies it... That is why I respect him...

But, the flaming on here... Is it working? I dunno... Don't much care--especially when you have a mortgage to deal with... However, for kids, it is important... And when you've got young people, you really have to think about the broad implication of your statements... It is liken to not cursing in front of a two year old...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by Rudey
Regarding my own personal image among NPHC members, well, I'll live but truthfully NPC, NIC, Latino, Latina, Chinese, Fukanese, whatever...everybody misinterprets my love on here.

-Rudey

Awwwwhhhh, Sweetheart... Don't hate the playa, hate the game...

With Hollywood Shuffle interpretation: "But I luvvvedddeddd you... A hit may, ah two times..."

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by AKA_Monet

And Lemme say another thing to those Black folks that wonder why other Black folks don't like them... Personally, for me, I understand where you all are coming from... Been there, done that--I say. Because I am older, I have yet to care what other African Americans are saying about me. DAYUM, as my Grandmother said, "They talked about Jesus Christ, they sho are gonna talk about you..." Whether you are "comfortable in your skin that you are in" or not, it still hurts to be called a "sell out" to your face when you are probably being misunderstood for the most part...

But having been ostracized by my own while growing up, I have learned what makes us Black folks tick. It is a matter of watching the conversation and the level of what is coming out of their mouths for you to frame it to get them to where your thinking level is... But that takes several levels of skill and practice... I still have to work on it at my age...

But, why you all get so bashed for your statements in the fact that when you all say them, no matter how correct the statements actually are, you are still SEEN and PERCEIVED just as CRITICAL as those "demeaning" white folks or other races are to us, which make your "allegiances" be called into question... I.e., you are so quick to JUDGE us like Judge Judy when a negro says something, but NEVER when a white boy says something... There you go again, Uncle Thoming on us again--yada, yada, yada...

Nevertheless, the minute another Black persons says that to you, you all shutdown, become hurt and lash out defensively... But does that help your learning and proving your point?

One suggestion is, from my spiritual quest, is to respond in kindness... That is why Rudey doesn't piss me off for some of the things he says--like he can to so many others--'cuz I respond to him with humanity and kindness... The minute he slips up and says something in my opinion questionable--I ask what does he mean and usually, he clarifies it... That is why I respect him...

But, the flaming on here... Is it working? I dunno... Don't much care--especially when you have a mortgage to deal with... However, for kids, it is important... And when you've got young people, you really have to think about the broad implication of your statements... It is liken to not cursing in front of a two year old...

I will respond to this since it makes reference to a comment your Soror Bamboozled said to me. First I wish you could really feel me and understand me and believe me that it does not hurt me or bother me what she said (asking me was I comfortable in my own skin) or when Ladygreek asked me was my role model Clarence Thomas LOL! You can't hold the views I have and get offended easily. I don't look for acceptance from anyone, all I do is speak what I see to be the truth. I make reference to their comments because they are funny to me and because when people can't dispute what you are saying factually, they resort to personal attacks. The fact that people are all over GC PMing other folks, quoting my signature in various threads, and making snide comments about me lets me know that 1. what I say gets them to think outside the box and 2. The fan club was a necessity

Anytime you espouse views against the norm, you are going to get attacked. Anytime you mention that you love Jesus Christ and evoke him into discussions, you immediately come under a microscope and folks judge you as if they are sitting in the throne room...but hey...its all part of it. The foolishness folks post on here about me rolls right off my back..and I'm laughing as its rolling off.

My post is off topic, but I responded because although you say you have a mortgage to deal with and you don't really care..your post did seemed well reasoned and thought out...

**BACK TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED THREAD**

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
First I wish you could really feel me and understand me and believe me that it does not hurt me or bother me what she said (asking me was I comfortable in my own skin) or ...was my role model Clarence Thomas LOL! You can't hold the views I have and get offended easily. I don't look for acceptance from anyone, all I do is speak what I see to be the truth. I make reference to their comments because they are funny to me and because when people can't dispute what you are saying factually, they resort to personal attacks. The fact that people are all over GC PMing other folks, quoting my signature in various threads, and making snide comments about me lets me know that 1. what I say gets them to think outside the box and 2. The fan club was a necessity

Anytime you espouse views against the norm, you are going to get attacked. Anytime you mention that you love Jesus Christ and evoke him into discussions, you immediately come under a microscope and folks judge you as if they are sitting in the throne room...but hey...its all part of it. The foolishness folks post on here about me rolls right off my back..and I'm laughing as its rolling off.

Personally, I think Rudey posted this topic to get a handle on what is being observed by an "outsider" looking in and wondering why he is observing such behavior...

Aside from that, Sistahgirl, are you sure you are not really affected? Because this is not the first time or topic you have posted your issues about how other Black folks have treated you by what they said to did to you... And you are not the only one who feels this way....

And I think what Rudey is noticing, as well as many others who are critically astute is the on-going diatribes by other avowed and certifiable African Americans here on GC laying down un-researched ideas without factual basis and arguing without logically coming to a conclusion... While, ironically, most African Americans argue with cyclical reasoning skills rather than linear ones--but that is another issue and not the topic of this forum...

What some folks have issue with you and many others that are poppin' up into GC is that you are "airing Black folks dirty laundry" to put it bluntly. And you have most of the non Black folks agreeing with your observations. And one thing that Black folks do not like is being told they are wrong by the "man"--or whatever...

Now, you can feel like it is rolling off your back and that is the defensive mechanism you have chosen, but it is obvious that it really has not. Otherwise, you would not respond to snide or silly comments made by any of my sorors, your sorors or any of the D9 organizations...

Yes, it atrocious that some Black folks resort to personal attacks and cast aspersions on your character. You responding back to them to stupefy them, it is working? Does it help get your point across?

Blessed are the peacemakers... Or even, you catch more flies with honey than you do with salt...

All I am saying is, you do not have to put down somebody because they put you down to win your argument. Sometimes folks have to agree to disagree. Other times, if you know you are correct and the person is blatantly wrong, you have to teach them rather than embarassment. Or, if you do not really care and could care less, then hey, give up a mofo and GTFO on out...

Either way, you got to pick your own battles... It's the American Way!!!

[Rudey]

Rudey isn't black so Rudey will never know. Rudey thought you might not see this article otherwise and just posted it for you.

-Rudey
--Rudey is sweet like sugar and if it rains tonight, will melt away.

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
Personally, I think Rudey posted this topic to get a handle on what is being observed by an "outsider" looking in and wondering why he is observing such behavior...

Aside from that, Sistahgirl, are you sure you are not really affected? Because this is not the first time or topic you have posted your issues about how other Black folks have treated you by what they said to did to you... And you are not the only one who feels this way....

And I think what Rudey is noticing, as well as many others who are critically astute is the on-going diatribes by other avowed and certifiable African Americans here on GC laying down un-researched ideas without factual basis and arguing without logically coming to a conclusion... While, ironically, most African Americans argue with cyclical reasoning skills rather than linear ones--but that is another issue and not the topic of this forum...

What some folks have issue with you and many others that are poppin' up into GC is that you are "airing Black folks dirty laundry" to put it bluntly. And you have most of the non Black folks agreeing with your observations. And one thing that Black folks do not like is being told they are wrong by the "man"--or whatever...

Now, you can feel like it is rolling off your back and that is the defensive mechanism you have chosen, but it is obvious that it really has not. Otherwise, you would not respond to snide or silly comments made by any of my sorors, your sorors or any of the D9 organizations...

Yes, it atrocious that some Black folks resort to personal attacks and cast aspersions on your character. You responding back to them to stupidfy them, it is working? Does it help you get your point across? It is a matter of Nettiquite and decorum... And with some practicing of protocol, to give a persuasive arguement about an ideal you hold to with justification, only then you win more sides...

Blessed are the peacemakers... Or even, you catch more flies with honey than you do with salt... That good old Southern training that helps so many folks...

All I am saying is, you do not have to put down somebody because they put you down to win your disagreement. Sometimes folks have to agree to disagree. Other times, if you know you are correct and the person is absolutely wrong, you have to teach them by persuasion rather than embarassment. Or, if you do not really care and could care less, then hey, give up a mofo and GTFO on out...

Either way, you got to pick your own battles... It's the American Way!!!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by Rudey
Rudey isn't black so Rudey will never know. Rudey thought you might not see this article otherwise and just posted it for you.

-Rudey
--Rudey is sweet like sugar and if it rains tonight, will melt away.

I ceremoniously bequeath unto you The Race Card, with all rights, privileges and services to promote unity and friendship amongst the disengaged:



Never leave home without it... And watch for identity thievery too...

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by KSig RC
since irony is apparently lost on you, rudey actually made a pretty good point (at least as far as THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION HAS GONE) there - the candle was being burnt on both ends (by different people), which doesn't really fly in a true discussion.

Please post that point, since you felt the urge to post.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by AKA_Monet

Aside from that, Sistahgirl, are you sure you are not really affected? Because this is not the first time or topic you have posted your issues about how other Black folks have treated you by what they said to did to you... And you are not the only one who feels this way....


What some folks have issue with you and many others that are poppin' up into GC is that you are "airing Black folks dirty laundry" to put it bluntly. And you have most of the non Black folks agreeing with your observations. And one thing that Black folks do not like is being told they are wrong by the "man"--or whatever...

Now, you can feel like it is rolling off your back and that is the defensive mechanism you have chosen, but it is obvious that it really has not. Otherwise, you would not respond to snide or silly comments made by any of my sorors, your sorors or any of the D9 organizations...

Thanks for following my posts so closely to see what i say and when i say it...but to everything else you posted..i am really not interested in proving or convincing you or anyone for that matter that this "stuff" doesn't affect me....so you post what your views..and i'll do the same The Love_Spell_6 will keep doing what she does...and my fans will continue to follow me from post to post

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by madmax
I wonder what would have happened if Bush went to the NAACP convention and gave the same speech that Barak gave?

Have you figured out yet that the only persons that can criticize the black community (without backlash) are black democrats?..or those that think "the man" and evil Republicans are the cause or source for all the problems??

That if anything should be evident even in this thread. Lord help you if white folks agree with you! Now your viewpoint is somehow flawed.