Debating Idiot Greek Logic

[33girl]

It seemed that anytime it's mentioned that the social aspects are the most enjoyable part or the reason some people join, it's a dirty word. And even if the parties in 1901 weren't the same as today (duh), I'm sure that sorority women were frowned on by some people solely because they started a sorority or were in college and intending to do something with their lives other than keep house.

Our purpose is "to develop and cultivate friendship among [our] members." Yes, it goes on to say other things, but the primary goal is friendship. We have four aims of development, and one of them is SOCIAL.

[AXID455]

Originally posted by preciousjeni

ETA: Parties at the time your founders lived were NOT the parties of today!

exactly...time has changed...i dont think anyone back in the early 1900s acted like we do now. We can't keep the organizations exactly the same as they were then, we live in a completely different world. If we were to have stayed the same we would be walking around wearing prim and proper dresses and having afternoon tea parties. And i bet none of us would have joined any Greek org if that was the case! ! ! Im sure holding a house party for the men at hampton sydney was pretty scandelous back then!

I agree with Diamond Delta who said "But we should only be as social as we are philanthropic, moral, academic and all those other values our wonderful founders worked so hard to instill." thats what everyone has been saying, we can be social as well as do the good things that we are supposed to be doing.

Our website, alphaxidelta.org says,

"Alpha Xi Delta was founded in 1893 by ten young women at Lombard College, Galesburg, Illinois, who shared a vision and a dream of a national organization dedicated to the personal growth of women. ...

Since that time more than a 100 years ago, the spirit of Alpha Xi Delta has enriched the lives of thousands of women throughout the world with its emphasis on lifelong learning and lasting friendship. ...

Our Founders left us a great legacy--they taught us the value of education because it would free us to achieve our goals and give us the power to be whatever we choose to be. They taught us to support one another through shared experiences and understanding. They taught us to serve others--to reach out to those less fortunate to make their lives better.

It is these ideals of personal development, scholarship, friendship, and civic responsibility that we embrace and bring to every Alpha Xi Delta member. "


We are here in this organization to make lifelong friendships which obviously Alpha Xi Delta emphasizes along with all the other ideals. That sounds pretty social to me.

The social aspect makes us different from service orgs and professional orgs. We are in our organizations to learn how to interact with people, form close bonds, and enjoy our experience at school.

Maybe just because we dont have big crazy parties at my school am i able to say all this. I think having a private social with some fraternity men 3 times a semester isnt whats holding us back as Greeks. Its what people do on their own time, and not at an organizations event...these are individuals who go out and everyone knows who they are affiliated with and everyone knows they are a party animal. There are usually only a few of these people and the best way to fix this problem is to suspend members who act like this repeatedly.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by 33girl
It seemed that anytime it's mentioned that the social aspects are the most enjoyable part or the reason some people join, it's a dirty word. And even if the parties in 1901 weren't the same as today (duh), I'm sure that sorority women were frowned on by some people solely because they started a sorority or were in college and intending to do something with their lives other than keep house.

Our purpose is "to develop and cultivate friendship among [our] members." Yes, it goes on to say other things, but the primary goal is friendship. We have four aims of development, and one of them is SOCIAL.

Social isn't a dirty word if its handled with class. I've seen some VERY elaborate and sophisticated parties put on by GLOs and I've seen some nasty affairs as well.

Indeed, at the time of your founders, the women's organizations were frowned upon, which was all the more reason for them to present themselves as cultured young ladies.

And, finally, I understand that being social is important. Again, I didn't say it wasn't. I said that the social aspect of most organizations isn't the PRIMARY focus.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by AXID455
The social aspect makes us different from service orgs and professional orgs. We are in our organizations to learn how to interact with people, form close bonds, and enjoy our experience at school.

I disagree. Service and professional orgs generally do stress the social aspect as a means to improve their members. However, a major difference is open versus closed membership. While ALL NPC sororities have closed membership (you can be voted out if you aren't universally liked) while many service and professional orgs have open membership (you can be denied membership only under certain circumstances).

[Coramoor]

It seems that some here are using different meanings of the word social.

Today, it seems that most people use 'social' in reference to greeks is getting a keg or six and having a huge party. Back then when our founders originally used social in an organizations description it was for the purpose of networking and meeting other people/other intellectuals.

Everyone loves having parties, and the way we do things today is much different from our founding-but we can still host parties with a little bit of class.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl
I know GP said on here once that she's tired of our founders being turned into perfect deities, and I agree. There's mentions of our founders hosting house parties for the Hampden-Sydney men, so obviously they were taking time to have fun. They weren't just discussing the Great Books or helping the downtrodden.

If we didn't have a social component, and a very strong one at that, why would be select who our members are? If it's all about philanthropy and academics, do you really need to like the people to accomplish those goals?

Nobody is saying to be boring and not have parties. See people can't see that perfect line. But honestly if you joined a house just to be able to pool your money together and party, well I hope you do well in school, get a well rounded extracurricular experience that doesn't make you seem like a moron when you go in front of someone during an interview.

-Rudey
--Balance people, balance.

[33girl]

There is a line. If all you're doing is partying you might as well drop out of your GLO and save dues money.

I'm referring to those who seem to think admitting that Greeks are often those who are more gregarious and probably like to go to parties more than the average person is tantamount to admitting we're all stupid alcoholic sluts/date rapists. When people bring up "what would our founders think" it's usually shorthand for saying "stop drinking and do philanthropy 24/7."

Yes, we do party more. We also do more community service and get better grades on the whole. We joined because we like the company of others while doing those things.

I'm not sure what a "classy" party consists of. I certainly hope people aren't saying you have to spend oodles of $$ for bands, decorations etc to throw a party the "correct" way.

[Tom Earp]

Deltasigmastan, you finally made a genuine post that really means something

Being Greek Social Organizations is being not only Social, but striving to make Our Greek Organizations GPA Higher, donatiing our time for the betterment with Charity events, Being in the fore front of homecomings, without us there would not be much, raising to the front at Athletic Events Cheering Our Respective Teams on, presenting a solid front for the betterment of all college students

Rudey is there a perfect line of Black and White, no.

Do We as Greeks donate more money to our schools, do We show proudness of our schools, do we donate more in time and money to our schools and local charitys! I think the answer is yes!

Being a Member of a GLO is a special thing that will live in our lives forever!

Question who would go back to your school if it were not for Your GLO?

I go back for one reason only, to See My Brothers and be with them maybe twice a year.

What do Independents have to go back for. Do they really know anyone who will return?

[DeltaSigStan]

You acknowledged me, so here goes:


"Deltasigmastan, you finally made a genuine post that really means something "

1) Get my name right please.

2) Finally made a genuine post? Please old man, check out all my other threads. Unless they're a sarcastic remark (I make many), my other posts are quoted because peopole either agree a=or want to elaborate further. At no time has anyone quoted me to call me for my comments or my grammar (besides you). You, on the other hand...well let's not go there.

Thank you, for agreeing with my comment, but if this is the FIRST time a post of mine has meant something, then I'm waiting for the first time a post of yours has as well

Either way, I see my campus and see stereotypes all over the place. Any type of greek unity (ALL greek dances, All greek yearbooks, all greek service events) are shunned upon and laughed at.

You can't do anything here greek related unless it involves alcohol or being around a bunch of fake superficial stereotypes that I personally don't feel like being around. No one actually cares about the philanthropy themselves. The shining stars of greek life are done by either the houses themselves, or by alumni.

Maybe it's because I'm in such a small "unpopular" (with the other greeks) house, but from my point of view, we really need to ask ourselves who we're kidding, because the more I try to follow the ritual of Delta Sigma Phi, the more out of touch I get with the rest of the greeks.

[AXID455]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan


Maybe it's because I'm in such a small "unpopular" (with the other greeks) house, but from my point of view, we really need to ask ourselves who we're kidding, because the more I try to follow the ritual of Delta Sigma Phi, the more out of touch I get with the rest of the greeks.

Maybe you need to take this up with your chapter. Why are you guys "unpopular" with the other greeks? ANd why does doing the right thing make you more out of touvch?

[DeltaSigStan]

Because the SDSU Greek community is headed in the wrong direction. Period.

Small numbers apparantly means you're a completely bad chapter, and people go with that. We just believe we'd rather know 25 guys really well than only know some out of 100 "brothers".

We're unpopular with the greeks because we don't feel the need to try to impress sororities. We do our service, we share in our brotherhood, we have our fair share of parties, but we're not going to put our spirit fingers on and pretend like we're cheerleaders for our house to try to get Panhels over.

The greeks that do like us are the ones who've actually given us a chance, spent time with us, and know we're just down with having a good time. Just because we refuse to play this game doesn't mean we're bad fraternity men.

I have my issues with my chapter, but I wouldn't ask for another set of bros to go through college with, because they've taught me more about life than being in any other SDSU house ever could.

I'd love to paint my face green and white and yell Delta Sig till my throat is sore, but we're not that type of chapter, and I'm not going to fight that.

I'm content being in a small, unpopular house that knows how to have a good time and will defend each other like blood brothers than a clone hanging in a world of fakeness. If that means people think we're bad greeks...so be it.