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Originally posted by Coramoor
Don't put words in my mouth.
Cleaning your fraternity house is not hazing any more than cleaning your apartment. It is your house and it's your responsibility to clean it. Whether you are a pledge or a brother, the house and it's upkeep is part of what it is to be in the fraternity.
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I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was responding to the level of specificity in your statement appropriately.
In and of itself, a house that is that messy doesn't prove that there is hazing, but there probably is. Do you think that their house is that messy all year round? I doubt it.
A chapter's operations and culture are interwoven. If this was a chapter that regularly cleaned its house through the shared labor of brothers and pledges, they would not be facing this problem. The most likely scenario (and I could be wrong) is that this is a chapter that forces its pledges to clean, and has a pronounced hierchy between brothers and pledges. Brothers won't clean because that is "pledge work." When all the pledges got initiated, there was no one willing, or coercible, to clean.
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