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Old 04-26-2004, 01:11 PM
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Well. And well.

I believe the real issue is "tightness of fit". Any primary group judges proscpective new members on a visceral level. There is an automatic impression that this person either fits or doesn't. Especally in circumstances where you don't know cadidates well or at all. Later, the personality issues become more accute.

The more specialized the group, or the stronger the group identity, the more tightness of fit comes into play.

In sorority Rush, with its unavoidably superficial nature, the sisters are going to have to judge the new PNMs based on gut reactions.

I believe thats reasonable. And if that were the reason given that would be hard to argue against. Tightness of fit is a good explanation for lack of minority recruitment, why we might eliminate the less attractive, the pregnant, and the marrid women. ITs an intangible.

What raises the hackles of some people in this thread is the sophistry of the people thatr don't want to accept pregnant women.

The rationalizations range from:

1 She shouldn't WANT to be involved with a sorority if she is pregnant. there must be something wrong with her.
2. She won't have the money for it.
3. She won't have the time.
4. If she got pregnant she is obviously an irresponsible person.
5. There are a whole bunch of things she should be doing other than sorority from others' points of view.

Those arguments are easily countered and honestly look like what they are, an after the fact justification of exclusion.

But because they offered those arguments I presented a scenario that countered them to see whether the women that used those arguments as a reason to exclude would change their minds.

If they are not, then they should just admit, simply, that they just don't want pregnant women in their chapters, its a valid prejudice. And more intellectually honest.

Adressing your questions angelove:
Yes I think many women would exclude Amy based on their ideas of moral issues. Or appearance.

In my amy scenario she easily has the resources that give her the time to spend with her sorority. In fact she could leave the child at home with her parents that could take care of it and supply caretakers. Something that is not uncommon at all both in wealthy and less wealthy famlies.

So here Amy stands, she has the time, the stats, the money, and wonder of wonders, you know all this before she Rushes through various alum groups. Oh and lets make her a legacy also.

So does Amy get a fair shake or not?


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Originally posted by angelove
James, with this Amy scenario you are implying that those of us who would not accept a pregnant/mom PNM are doing so only based on "morality" issues rather than time committments. I don't care if it's a virgin birth - if she's going to keep the baby, she's going to have priorities other than a sorority.

And your addition about Amy being wealthy - who on earth cares?
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