Double Initiates!?!

[owlrageous]

I have a question, a girl in my pledge class was a transfer student. She had previously been initiated in ANOTHER greek letter organization. Well our sorority never caught it until AFTER she was initiated. I was curious as to how transfer or older students are screened for this. It's not fair that she now knows our rituals and secrets, and some of my chapter apparently doesn't think it was that big of a deal. Was it our fault, student life's, or the NPC?????? My whole pledge class wants to know, but the older members are telling us to keep our mouths shut.......

[carnation]

If you're in a local--and your profile states that you are-- there are no "national" rules governing this. Sorry!

[dakareng]

Based upon your concerns, may I assume that she was initiated into another NPC group?

Several things weren't done that could, or should have been done. First, when she registered for recruitment as a transfer student, someone should have contacted the Greek Advisor at her previous school to see if she was a member or had gone through recruitment. Second, at orientation sessions for formal recruitment, all potential new members need to be informed that being an initiated member of another GLO makes them ineligible. If this woman was pledged via COB, then it is the chapter's responsibility to do the research. If your panhellenic is not doing the education or research on transfers, it falls to the chapter.

Yes, she should have known better and perhaps she did, if she didn't mention her previous experiences at any time while still a pledge. That is an ethical issue that needs to be discussed further (and maybe it is)

And perhaps something is being done which is why the older members don't want a lot of discussion. Like a lot of things that are "in the works", until a final decision or action is decided, it really isn't something that you can do anything about or should question. Trust that your chapter officers are not ignoring it.

[TheEpitome1920]

I've heard of this happening before. A young lady pledged an organization in one part of the country and then transferred schools and joined another. The young woman was QUICKLY found out.

I agree with everything dakareng stated in regards to contacting the previous university.

[owlrageous]

I am a national member, but I didn't want to post my sorority name although my name implies 2 different sororities......

[phamason2003]

Can not believe that! Not even my org. but makes me MAD! I bet this happens alot. Chapter, has to be at fault too and what is up with your sister's not caring?

[starang21]

i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.

[orchid2]

So what would happen to a person that did this? Surely it wouldn't go without some type of punishment/repercussion- would she have to resign membership from both orgs?

[carnation]

Originally posted by owlrageous
I am a national member, but I didn't want to post my sorority name although my name implies 2 different sororities......

???? In another post, you state that you belong to Xi Omega, an "upcoming national" at 3 universities. As an Arkansas alum, I'm not aware of such a group on campus.

owlrageous
Junior Member

Registered: Apr 2004

Xi Omega Sorority
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Arkansas State
University of Arkansas
University of North Texas

[Txsurfinwaves]

Originally posted by carnation
???? In another post, you state that you belong to Xi Omega, an "upcoming national" at 3 universities. As an Arkansas alum, I'm not aware of such a group on campus.

owlrageous
Junior Member

Registered: Apr 2004

Xi Omega Sorority
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Arkansas State
University of Arkansas
University of North Texas

I am not aware of a group at NT, either. maybe im in the dark....

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Txsurfinwaves
I am not aware of a group at NT, either. maybe im in the dark....

Is this the same sorority?

http://www.cit.buffalo.edu/security/caught.html

When you get to the page press "CTRL F" and enter "Xi Omega"

[astroAPhi]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
I've heard of this happening before. A young lady pledged an organization in one part of the country and then transferred schools and joined another. The young woman was QUICKLY found out. .

There's no problem with pledging 2 different organizations. It's INITIATING into 2 that causes a problem.

[Erik P Conard]

Way back in the 40s and before, there were a few teachers'
college fraternities and sororities, none belonged to NIC and
were often considered "educational", not social.
Some of these were Sigma Tau Gamma, Phi Sigma Epsilon (now
absorbed by Phi Sigma Kappa), Kappa Sigma Kappa (disbanded),
Delta Sigma Epsilon (absorbed by Delta Zeta), Pi Kappa Sigma
(absorbed by Sigma Kappa), Theta Sigma Upsilon (absorbed by
Alpha Gamma Delta), Delta Kappa (disbanded), and perhaps a
few others. Sometimes when these students would transfer to
a big state U, for example, they would either get a release or a
dimit or just join another. We turned most of them down at KU,
but there are some Sig Taus who are TKEs too. But they are all
old codgers, even older'n me. You still awake?
Also, Sigma Sigma Sigma, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Alpha Sigma Tau &
Sigma Tau Gamma are in the NIC and NPC groups, doing quite well, I might add...happily. LOL EPC, TKE

[exlurker]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
Way back in the 40s and before, there were a few teachers'
college fraternities and sororities, none belonged to NIC and
were often considered "educational", not social.
Some of these were Sigma Tau Gamma, Phi Sigma Epsilon (now
absorbed by Phi Sigma Kappa), Kappa Sigma Kappa (disbanded),
Delta Sigma Epsilon (absorbed by Delta Zeta), Pi Kappa Sigma
(absorbed by Sigma Kappa), Theta Sigma Upsilon (absorbed by
Alpha Gamma Delta), Delta Kappa (disbanded), and perhaps a
few others.
<SNIP>
Also, Sigma Sigma Sigma, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Alpha Sigma Tau &
Sigma Tau Gamma are in the NIC and NPC groups, doing quite well, I might add...happily. LOL EPC, TKE

Good history, EPC! I might add, related to the dual membership issue, that when the education sororities joined NPC, each woman who had a dual membership in an education sorority and an NPC one had to choose one and give up membership in the other (at least according to Sigma Sigma Sigma's history). In other words, to use a "KU-style" example: in the early 1940s Jane Kansan spent her freshman year at Emporia State and initiated into Alpha Sigma Alpha. Jane then transferred to KU at the beginning of her sophomore year, went through rush, and pledged and initiated into, let's say ADPi. That was Ok then, because they were not both NPC groups. Then in the late 1940s ASA entered NPC, and Jane got notified that she had to choose either ASA or ADPi. So sororities did have to do a bit of adjusting of their membership rolls in the late 40s to follow the no-dual-membership requirement of the NPC.

[ASUADPi]

Question, if the girl was initiated by a local sorority would it matter that she transferred, rushed and was initiated by a national?
I am assuming that it wouldn't because of the local versus national. If this is in fact the case I don't think there can probably be much done about her being initiated by two different sororities.

But like everyone else is saying, if it was a national then that is a whole different can of worms.