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Originally posted by BabyP
I have to agree that hazing are in nationals.
Nationals cost too much and hence "buying the friendship" Let me ask you something, you go to someones house you dont know in another state, whatever, and they accept you? that is buying friends...I dont care who you are I dont trust strangers in my house!
Two, Locals do NOT have to have a quota, i have also seen nationals shut down cuz they didnt have at least 50 members.
Three, too many people, its not a real togetherness.
Four, as for the house, sac state doesnt have greek row, only TWO greeks have a house. Also I have notice more HAZING and RAPES and UNDERAGE drinking in houses.
With locals, yes, we can change the rules for the better, hazing was accepted 50 years ago and the rules of nationals go back like a hundred years. Also nationals tend to discriminate based on looks, money or/and power.
Five, nationals seem to be obssessed with legacies. I honestly dont think it should matter if family was in ABC cuz that doesnt mean the child is the same as the parents.
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There is definitely more hazing in locals than in nationals. Especially with sororities. There is a reason why the trend to eliminate locals in greek systems is unabated, while the trend to ban greek systems has greatly diminished. This isn't an opinion, but fact. Your one local may not haze, but your local experience does not give you insight into greek systems across the country. Also, because you are in a local, you do not have access to information about greek systems across the country, except by hearsay.
Hazing enters greeks systems from external experiences (high school hazing is, by far, the most common way) and is spread through a greek system by observation.
A chapter of a national GLO may have its parent organization to help bring about reform. A local has no one to answer to, and no one to teach reformed chapter management.
A local that hazes, will continue to haze, and continue to exert a negative influence on the local greek system's greek community. This is why many greek systems seek to eliminate locals.
With regard to "buying friends," what defines that? Paying less in a local isn't, but paying more in a national is? That's a foolish and indefensible position. The extra money paid isn't for friends, its for liability insurance, and chapter support services. These things are why chapters of national groups that fold may later be revived, but locals that fold are usually gone forever.
Concerning "quota," fraternities don't have this. Some local sororities do have quota. It depends on whether that group belongs to the local PanHel. Also, non-NPC national groups may exist outside a system that requires compliance with quota and total.
If you meet a relative for the first time, do you treat them like strangers? If you meet a sorority sister from your local, who was initiated 10 years before you, do you treat her like a stranger? If you do, you live a bizarre and paranoid life. Extending feelings of closeness to someone, with a shared background, whom you just met isn't "buying friends." Its called "being human."
No NIC or NPC group, with which I'm aware, has ever had hazing as part of ritual or standard operating procedure. Many locals do. Again, the difference is that nationals have an institutional capability to eliminate hazing, that while not always effective, is at least usually effective. Locals don't eliminate hazing. They just distance themselves from their college administrations.
Finally, national groups are not obsessed with legacies. Some chapters place a premium on legacies, and that varies with the region.
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