Question for DARs on GC

[AOIIsilver]

DAR family has two daughters. One is biological, the other one isn't. Wouldn't the adopted one always feel really left out at meetings because she is only a guest?

I am also thinking about adopting, and, to me, this argument is truly moot. I seriously doubt that any of us have our personas so tied up in the DAR that we would make one of our children feel uncomfortable (or make someone else's child feel uncomfortable for that matter). I daresay that most women in the DAR are family historians and are part of the group as a component of their larger involvement with geneaology or US history. Again, I REGULARLY attend meetings for a chapter of which I am NOT a member. I have always felt right at home at the groups that I visited as well. I argee with Honeychile...it is much like a business meeting/tea party/women's informational group. Most of our women wear pins [Must be the high quality Insignia Chair].
Besides, it is the same argument for AOII...even though my future child [Silver wishes strongly for a healthy daughter in the next two years ] would be a double legacy and a courtsey for AOII, if she goes to a different group or I have a son, then they could not share AOII with me. It is just not a big deal. Give it a try. I will bet that you might like it!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled debate on pins....

No, Honeychile I do not yet have the Cameo. This year, I think. As for the actual order on the ribbon, the DAR member's site has a booklet (cost 2 or 3 dollars) that can be ordered. Let me know if you need me to PM the web address. I just cleaned out my PM box. Please try again...so sorry...

Add, my mom is one of those ladies with a TRIPLE ribbon. Mom and I now have 3 matching DAR outfits for the various seasons for meetings. So much fun. My favorite pin of mom's is her 25th anniversary pin of the DAR from the 19teens! It is really super nice.

Peaches-N-Cream, sounds like you need to have a trip to your state or national archives. In case you did not know, the National Archives rocks! Census records should be the next step. Using your Great-great-grandfather's name, you can find children and sometimes "place of birth." This can then be the link to go back even further using the family surname.
Kudos to other family historians...Just remember, family historians never die, they just lose their census!

AOIISilver
ETA: Info for Peaches-N_Cream who posted while I was typing...yes, I am slow and old!

[honeychile]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
honeychile, I think it might be the second J.S. from MA and NH. He was the Major General according to any research I have done. I just googled him and came up with this and this and this.

It's a small world regarding St. Mary's Church. My great-grandparents and great great grandparents were married there. My great-grandfather's brother was a priest, Rev. John F. Sullivan, in the area who wrote a few books about the Catholic Church. This is the problem. They all have the same name. Of course, they are all gone now and have been for many years. It was exciting finding and reading the actual documents that my great great (great?) grandfather signed when he purchased his house in the 1850s or 1860s for the enormous sum of $750. Imagine buying a house for $750.

Does anyone have any suggestions about how to go back further in my family tree? I have no idea how to do it. My mother is the oldest living person in that branch, and I have all the information that she has. Thanks in advance.

I haven't googled your links yet, but will when I'm done with this. Have you tried census records, church records, tax records, court records? Sounds like you have the deeds under control - now, you just take a step back & see where he was living prior to buying that $750 house! Will books are especially rich, and the New England Genealogical Society has a TON of records!

I hear you about the same name - there has been a John & a William in literally every generation of my family thus far! It become sheer torture when we found a completely parallel family in the same area - two each of John McCulloughs who married Elizabeths, with a brother William for three generations! We pretty much had to do both family trees to keep them straight as to who belonged to whom!!

[Taualumna]

Honeychile: I'm assuming that the Asian kids who'll be full members at 18 are mixed? That's a little different from being an adopted child from China.

AOIISilver: Being a member of a sorority is kind of different than a linage society like DAR because an adoptee can choose to or not to become a member of the sorority. Unless DAR changes its rules to include adoptees, she cannot be a member of DAR even if she wants to.

[AchtungBaby80]

I'm thinking about joining the DAR. We have a local chapter. My mom's side of the family are descendants of Christopher Gist, but I don't think he counts. If not, I have a cousin on my dad's side who's in the DAR, I believe, so I can always go that route.

Since there's an organization for descendants of Confederate veterans, does anyone know if there's one for the other side?

[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Count me in, we'll start a chapter.

I'll be your third!!! How many more do we need for our national charter?

I probably could trace my maternal grandmother's side back to the Amer Rev. There is a rumor floating around the family was on the like 5th boat after the Mayflower or something insanely early like that. My grandfather is working on her lineage right now, since she is the missing link (my other grandparents are all 100% something). Too bad he is still lurking in the 1800's. The family is now in Missouri. He hasn't even traced them back to the East Coast yet.
I know the surname would be Ward. And I entered that into the database, via the DAR website, and I have a BUNCHA hits. I don't know what to do next.

I never even thought about the DAR before this post....hmmm...another thing to persue on my free time...

[AOIIsilver]

Now, back to the regularly scheduled discussion....Yes, there is a group for women descendants of the Federal Army in the Civil War....several, in fact. Check out
http://www.duvcw.org/ and Listing of the Associated groups

Silver

ETA: Edited because I do not wish to be anything but helpful to others in my life. Life is too short....

[Taualumna]

To answer your question: Before joining the Junior League, I toyed with the idea of joining the IODE (Imperial Order Daughters of the Empire). It was never really a consideration as I didn't know anyone who was in it. Anyway, I mentioned this to a relative in the US, and she asked me why I could join IODE, despite having no British roots, but she couldn't join the DAR. The only requirement for the IODE is that you're female, according to their website (http://www.iode.ca/join.html), despite having the term "Daughter" in their name.

[honeychile]

Post-Googles on John Sullivan: colorful character, wasn't he?! And kind of cute, too!

If you think this is your Patriot, go to www.dar.org, and double click on Genealogy. Then, on the right hand side, you'll see Patriot Lookup - double click. Fill out the form, asking if you could obtain any Record Copies on him, should they have them (they will). If you check the box that you're interested in membership, they will be in touch with you concerning local chapters - and vice versa.

The Record Copy is a complete DAR application for the Patriot you name. For all you know, that problem generation of yours may already be solved! If not, it will give you the sources that the original applicant gave, which will help you with your search. Record Copies are one of the very best sources, as none of the information on them will be questioned!

Feel free to ask me any more questions - and let me know how your search is going! I can only hope that you'll enjoy DAR as much as Adrienne, Silver, and I all do!!

[honeychile]

Originally posted by Dionysus
The DAR doesn't like black people. End of discussion.

You'd have to prove that to me. And if you're going to use that tired old saw about the one time Marion Anderson didn't sing at Constitution Hall, please be fair enough to realize the year it happened, AND that she felt fine about being invited back to perform several other times! Get over it - she did.

And I'm with Silver. This was to be about helping people, not a defense of an organization. For heaven's sake, how strange is it that members of a GLO would find rules for membership odd?

My mama is using the G-Q volume of the Patriot Index, or I'd look up Christopher Gist, Achtungbaby. He's not listed in earlier volumes, though.

FIVE pages of Wards! Yikes!! Have you any clue as to which state(s), DolphinChica?

[AOIIsilver]

Taualumna, thanks for the info..that explains the questioning about being a "daughter."
Does your US relative know for SURE that she cannot join the DAR? Unless EVERY branch of her family came to the US after the Revolutionary War, chances are that she does have a relation that qualifies. It just takes WORK to find the connections. See that is the whole thing...for those of us who LOVE family history, it is the challenge to find the dusty record, to find the family Bible, to find a way to prove that illiterate family members existed when they signed with an X.
I really enjoy my DAR experience. We do a lot of good for people in a wide-variety of projects, both locally and nationally.

Silver

[Taualumna]

AOIIsilver,

My cousin's from Hong Kong, and we have no known non-Chinese blood relatives.

[AchtungBaby80]

Originally posted by honeychile
My mama is using the G-Q volume of the Patriot Index, or I'd look up Christopher Gist, Achtungbaby. He's not listed in earlier volumes, though.

Probably not--he was Washington's guide, but I doubt he was a soldier or anything. I like the idea of the Daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War, though...my mom's excited, too. I think we'll check into that. Thanks, AOIIsilver!

[AOIIsilver]

Taualumna, now I see....still your relative might like being involved. Until I got my papers in, I, too, attended just for the fun of it. I just met a lady and asked if I could be her guest. You can learn LOTS about US History.
PS-Thanks for the PM. That is awesome.

OH...AchtungBaby80, you don't have to have been a soldier to join DAR. Other kinds of service counts, too! Washington's guide. Wow! Make sure to check out the other two groups listed on the Associated GAR groups as well.

Happiness,
Silver

[adduncan]

Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
Probably not--he was Washington's guide, but I doubt he was a soldier or anything. I like the idea of the Daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War, though...my mom's excited, too. I think we'll check into that. Thanks, AOIIsilver!

AchtungBaby -
I just looked up that person's name on the online Patriot Index. He's not listed, but that may only mean that none of his descendants applied for DAR membership.

Patriots served in all kinds of capacities, not just military. There were munitions suppliers, farmers, even ministers in the PI.

Just some info to think on.

Adrienne


ETA - I posted this before I saw Silver's response.

[honeychile]

I wanted to check a link prior to posting it. There is a complete passenger list of everyone who was on the first three boats to Plymouth, the Mayflower, the Fortune, and the Anne at the link I just gave.

A very high percentage - if not all - of the genealogies for each of these passengers is available, up to about 1730 (?) or 8 generations. I guess they figure that you're on your own after that!

This may sound crazy, but I have very fond memories of our first mixer with Delta Tau Delta. It was the first we had for years prior to my joining Alpha Delta Pi. Anyhow, I started talking to one Delt, whose girlfriend I knew, and it turned out that we were both interested in genealogy. In fact, he is a direct descendant of Edward Winslow (Mayflower). While everyone else was dancing and generally doing the mixer thing, Win & I were getting comparing genealogical notes! Do I have to tell you that both of us took a lot of teasing afterwards?